Slitherine

dave_r wrote:Light Horse are expensive - the most popular type is LH, Average, Bow, Sword. They are 10points each. That is very expensive.

No LH are cheap. 10AP for something useful is not that much...Ghilman are 19AP that is expensive, heavily armoured knights are 23 or 26 that is epensive. 10AP is not expensive, especially when you can take them in BGs of 4, a 40AP BG is not terribly expensive.

If you take a typic 140-150AP of generals and just took 40AP BGs you get an army size of around 16BG which is on the larger side for 800AP.

ethan wrote:

dave_r wrote:Light Horse are expensive - the most popular type is LH, Average, Bow, Sword. They are 10points each. That is very expensive.

No LH are cheap. 10AP for something useful is not that much...Ghilman are 19AP that is expensive, heavily armoured knights are 23 or 26 that is epensive. 10AP is not expensive, especially when you can take them in BGs of 4, a 40AP BG is not terribly expensive.

If you take a typic 140-150AP of generals and just took 40AP BGs you get an army size of around 16BG which is on the larger side for 800AP.

But to be effective, Light Horse operate two deep - therefore they are 20 AP a frontage. That is more expensive than Ghilmen and much more expensive than most foot.

I haven't seen anybody operate LH one rank deep.

dave_r wrote:But to be effective, Light Horse operate two deep - therefore they are 20 AP a frontage. That is more expensive than Ghilmen and much more expensive than most foot.

Because no foot ever operates two deep and neither do cavalry mounted, or do you run your Bosporan lancers single deep?

philqw78 wrote:

hazelbark wrote:even though I beat you like a rented mule

You had to pay for that! You were conned like an american at a royal wedding.

How? If I recall I got free beers from many of my "temporary" adoring fans inculding you !

ethan wrote:

dave_r wrote:But to be effective, Light Horse operate two deep - therefore they are 20 AP a frontage. That is more expensive than Ghilmen and much more expensive than most foot.

Because no foot ever operates two deep and neither do cavalry mounted, or do you run your Bosporan lancers single deep?

How many foot cost more than 10 points? I often run the Bosporan's Lancers three wide.

hazelbark wrote:

philqw78 wrote:

hazelbark wrote:even though I beat you like a rented mule

You had to pay for that! You were conned like an american at a royal wedding.

How? If I recall I got free beers from many of my "temporary" adoring fans inculding you !

So he wasn't rented, you owned him! To see the look on Dave's face was worth the beer.

But to be effective, Light Horse operate two deep - therefore they are 20 AP a frontage. That is more expensive than Ghilmen and much more expensive than most foot.

It really is a mystery why LH Bow/Sw are so popular if you regard them to be "expensive". After all, for the same cost you can have Drilled, Average Cavalry, Lance/Sw. How good are they? I think it's time to admit you are wrong here Dave.

I could reply to your reply point by point Dave, but I think that is what is technically known as "Fisking", which sounds painful, so I'll resist the temptation. Let's just say your response doesn't change my mind that something is a bit out of whack.

To the other...I don't for a minute agree with the idea that terrain placement has to be restricted in some way to avoid the possibility of all-mounted armies having to cope with a fair bit of tricky terrain. Oh "boo hoo hoo"

If they are really worried about that, the solution is to take an IC and likely have at least +1 over any opponent that is highly terrain-friendly. Or alternatively, as I tend to do with all my armies, make sure they always take a couple of BGs of MF into battle so they can at least contest some terrain long enough to protect the flanks of the battle troops whilst they (hopefully) win the battle in between the terrain.

If the opponent is cowardly and lurks in terrain, try to shoot him out.

If the worst comes to the worst, stay away from the enemy and thus keep the draw firmly in hand unless the opponent is prepared to expose himself by taking exceptional risks. If you are now going to complain that games with no close contact are boring and the rules should protect players against that possibility, I will hand you over to Mr. Porter who has a few words generally to say on the subject of all horsey armies and boring games in general

On another tack, something else that I don't feel works very well with current terrain placement rules is gentle hills. It seems like if you put one on the table, the chances are very high that it will help the opponent more than it does you. therefore I feel a disincentive to anyone picking them in the first place. Out of interest, how many gentle hills are seen in tournament games?

Dave uses gentle hills with brush on all the time,.............. minmimum size when he gets his steppe terrain and gets to take those options away from his opponent

philqw78 wrote:Dave uses gentle hills with brush on all the time,.............. minmimum size when he gets his steppe terrain and gets to take those options away from his opponent

Yes thats what most of these horsey types do.......

Ah - yes good point, I hadn't even considered that option.

>Yes thats what most of these horsey types do.......