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zoltan wrote:

deadtorius wrote:According to the infamous page 56 only bases actually contacted by a flank charge are turned to face the flank charge.

OK, so photo B3 is wrong - I turned bases 2 and 3 incorrectly.

Base 1 was contacted but does not turn because it is already fighting to its front.
Bases 2 and 3 do not turn because they were not contacted.
Base 4 turns because it was contacted.

This was where i was headed, but had business pop up and couldn't complete my comments.

zoltan wrote:

hazelbark wrote:Your first exhibit should be reviewed in light of page 56.

What are you saying? That in Exhibit A picture 1 the front rank base of the file in overlap position is considered to be "in contact" and accordingly can't turn 90 degrees when hit by a flank charge?

No. After re-reading rules

The bases are indeed "in contact". p76.

But p 56 specifically says "in contact with enemy to their front"

So the overlap bases do not have this situation.

Educated guess, at impact the contacted bases will turn unless in contact to their front. In melee those bases that were facing forward would then turn to face the flank as after conforming to the enemy they will be in side base contact with the front of the flanking cavalry so would turn to face them front on filling in behind the bases originally contacted in impact. Hope that was not too confusing but I think in the end 3 of the bases from case B would end up facing the flank cav, probably 2 deep and 1 single side by side so that they are lined up with the 2 contacting cavalry. So forget the pike POA's and kiss that unit goodbye.

zoltan wrote:

philqw78 wrote: In A 1st and 4th bases are contacted. These are the ones that turn putting a 3 rank deep and a 1 rank deep pike file v's the cav.

Well if the strict rule is that only those bases actually contacted turn I can understand that bases 1 and 4 turn 90 degrees to face the cav. But what happens to bases 2 and 3 that were not contacted? Which rule dictates:
1. that they turn
2. they both fall in behind either base 1 or base 4 (creating one file 3 deep and one file 1 deep as you suggest)
3. one falls in behind base 1 and one behind base 4 (making a 2 wide and 2 deep line)

Bases turn using the normal rules for turning so you get a 3 and 1.