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dave_r wrote:

hazelbark wrote:Why? Its much more reliable to underachieve.

Dan, you are very reliable

He picks armies to the left ...

How do numbers compare with the 2 previous events in the USA & Greece?

Any indication as to where 2012 will be held?

petedalby wrote:How do numbers compare with the 2 previous events in the USA & Greece?

IIRC down on Alexandria but up on Athens.

Any indication as to where 2012 will be held?

No idea.

No idea.

Cheers Nik - who does decide these things?

petedalby wrote:

No idea.

Cheers Nik - who does decide these things?

It is normally decided at the IWF tournament prior - so New Zealand was agreed at the 2010 IWF and the 2012 IWF will be agreed at the 2011 event.

That is why we brought Hammy

petedalby wrote:How do numbers compare with the 2 previous events in the USA & Greece?

Previous numbers:

Alexandria 2009
DBM 24
DBR can't find numbers but I think about 12 (max)
FoW circa 20
FoG 50

Athens 2010
DBM 22
DBR nil
FoW 20
FoG 18

Wellington 2011
DBM 10 (RSA won't announce whether any attendees until end Jan)
DBR 25 (World record)
FoW 20 (deliberately capped to avoid swamping of numbers by Kiwis)
FoG 34 (4 late drop outs due to illness etc)
DBA 18 (World record)

petedalby wrote:Any indication as to where 2012 will be held?

UK has been the only country to indicate a desire to hold the event in 2012 - my money would be on UK (even should another country attempt a late to counter bid). Bruce Brown is the man to talk to. I think BHGS is puzzling over dates and venues.

OZ has bid for 2013 and wants to hold the event in late January combined with its (very good) national Cancon event held in Canberra. NZ supports this bid as the Cancon event is excellent - its a diverse games convention which includes boardgames, women and children (as opposed to middle aged men and spotty herberts). Lot's of trade stands. 4 of us Kiwis are off to this year's event in 2 weeks time. NZ holds the FoG South Pacific Shield won at last year's Cancon.

zoltan wrote: UK has been the only country to indicate a desire to hold the event in 2012

I could make that

So DBX-style games exceed FoG numbers in the past two IWF's....!

madaxeman wrote:So DBX-style games exceed FoG numbers in the past two IWF's....!

I think you need to check those numbers.

I reckon some of the DBR popularity could be due to FOG-R coming out - a number of FoG players have registered for DBR - I know a few of us who are thinking of playing FoG-=R (although would still play Ancients for comps)

Muz

UK has been the only country to indicate a desire to hold the event in 2012 - my money would be on UK (even should another country attempt a late to counter bid). Bruce Brown is the man to talk to. I think BHGS is puzzling over dates and venues.

OZ has bid for 2013 and wants to hold the event in late January combined with its (very good) national Cancon event held in Canberra. NZ supports this bid as the Cancon event is excellent - its a diverse games convention which includes boardgames, women and children (as opposed to middle aged men and spotty herberts). Lot's of trade stands. 4 of us Kiwis are off to this year's event in 2 weeks time. NZ holds the FoG South Pacific Shield won at last year's Cancon.

Great - thanks very much for that. I'll keep my fingers crossed on the UK in 2012 - but based upon current form I'll probably book a holiday which will stop me going!

Cancon sounds great but unless I win the lottery it's just not feasible for those of us on limited incomes.

Pete, let us know your 2012 Holidays dates - that way we will know the date of the 2012 IWF even before it is announced... :)

hazelbark wrote:

madaxeman wrote:So DBX-style games exceed FoG numbers in the past two IWF's....!

I think you need to check those numbers.

Athens DBM 22, FoG 20
NZ DBM/R/A 53, FoG 34

Check !

madaxeman wrote:

hazelbark wrote:

madaxeman wrote:So DBX-style games exceed FoG numbers in the past two IWF's....!

I think you need to check those numbers.

Athens DBM 22, FoG 20
NZ DBM/R/A 53, FoG 34

Check !

Unfortunately, Tim, you said LAST two IWF's. At Washington there was significantly more Fog Players. Your statement will be true in around 2 months time though

madaxeman wrote:

hazelbark wrote:

madaxeman wrote:So DBX-style games exceed FoG numbers in the past two IWF's....!

I think you need to check those numbers.

Athens DBM 22, FoG 20
NZ DBM/R/A 53, FoG 34

Check !

Nope sorry "last two" means Athens and Alexandria. You've been away from DBx too long to watch the parsings.

muz177 wrote:I reckon some of the DBR popularity could be due to FOG-R coming out - a number of FoG players have registered for DBR - I know a few of us who are thinking of playing FoG-=R (although would still play Ancients for comps)

Muz

Well I have to say i thoroughly enjoy the FoGR over the DBR in the TYW time frame I have played FoGR so far. DBR was a fun swirling mess with eastern sipahi armies fleeing from the shooting. FoG R looks and feels better for TYW.

I also suspect that DBR numbers for 2011 may have been helped by the widespread adoption of the Kiwi points system in NZ. They grapsed the nettle that certain rules designers were unwilling/unable to and changed the points not the behaviour of troops. Seems to have saved DBR as a game in NZ. Might be a lesson there.

Four UK Wargamers were asked for their predictions on the upcoming IWF tournament in Wellington. Here is what they thought:

Ian Stewart:
1. Hammy
2. Shaun Drummond
3. Dave Ruddock

Phil Powell:
1. Dave Ruddock
2. Shaun Drummond
3. Mark Holland

Nik Gaukroger:
1. Dave Ruddock
2. Shaun Drummond
3. James Hamilton

Dave Ruddock:
1. Dave Ruddock
2. James Hamilton
3. Shaun Drummond

There is beer involved in this - points scoring system is as follows

- named player in the top three - 1 point
- named player in correct spot - 3 points

Feel free to add your own gueses. It must be noted that Phil felt "shamed, unclean and somewhat soiled" over his choice, but as there was beer involved he went for the pragmatic rather than romantic viewpoint.

Well, I can't see anyone beating Shaun on home soil, so my picks are

1. Shaun Drummond
2. Dan Hazlewood
3. Graeme Evans

Looking at the average ELO ratings of the countries participating, the Aussies are going to have to play well to force a place, but generally box well above their class (maybe not in FoG)(or recently in the cricket)(rugby also struggling)!

USA 1888
UK 1843
NZ 1637
AU 1625

Muz

muz177 wrote:Well, I can't see anyoLooking at the average ELO ratings of the countries participating, the Aussies are going to have to play well to force a place, but generally box well above their class (maybe not in FoG)(or recently in the cricket)(rugby also struggling)!

USA 1888
UK 1843
NZ 1637
AU 1625

I would not read anything into average ELO ratings. All it tells you is where the players from each country sit relative to the other players from that country. Essentially you have better than average players from the US and UK while there is a reasonably broad spread of players from Aus and NZ.

I still remain to be convinced that direct comparison between different countries ELO ratings is any better than direct comparison between different countries DBM Glicko ratings was.

Shaun is a decent player and should do well. With Graham having to drop out for family reasons it does make a bit of a change in the likely placings. As I have yet to play any players from 'down under' at FoG it is very difficult for me to judge who will place where.