Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:43 pm
24 would be OK IMO.
Talking about Polish stuff... check this link i found on The Miniatures Page:
http://ilovewargameing.21.forumer.com/v ... php?t=2844
Some good dice just joking I take it there is some LH among these fine troopsnickdives wrote:I am intending to raise a "Polish force" from the lovely Legio Heroica range, that will enable me to mass forces for most of the 17th C. Probably:-
6 x 4 Base Hussar
6 x 4 Base Pancerni
4 x 4 Base Lt Cav
2 x 4 Base Dragoon
4 x 6 Base Inf
some guns!
In addition a few 4 Base Cossack/Tartar units when I find a suitable range.
Are these number generic enough to cover the period 1600-1683? Is there anything else I will need?
cheers
nickdives wrote:I am intending to raise a "Polish force" from the lovely Legio Heroica range, that will enable me to mass forces for most of the 17th C. Probably:-
6 x 4 Base Hussar
6 x 4 Base Pancerni
4 x 4 Base Lt Cav
2 x 4 Base Dragoon
4 x 6 Base Inf
some guns!
In addition a few 4 Base Cossack/Tartar units when I find a suitable range.
Are these number generic enough to cover the period 1600-1683? Is there anything else I will need?
cheers
And I think you will find that you need more infantry when facing a western army with plenty of pike/shot. You will have to be very lucky to ride down pike and shot, even with your hussars, unless the infantry are of Poor quality. If the dice gods are with you, you may ride down Average pike & shot, but it is hardly a winning strategy on balance. (The enemy cavalry are a different matter).nikgaukroger wrote:nickdives wrote:I am intending to raise a "Polish force" from the lovely Legio Heroica range, that will enable me to mass forces for most of the 17th C. Probably:-
6 x 4 Base Hussar
6 x 4 Base Pancerni
4 x 4 Base Lt Cav
2 x 4 Base Dragoon
4 x 6 Base Inf
some guns!
In addition a few 4 Base Cossack/Tartar units when I find a suitable range.
Are these number generic enough to cover the period 1600-1683? Is there anything else I will need?
cheers
Well the problem I see is that over that period the infantry changed a couple of times as did equipment for some of the other troops.
Clever so clever now I thought Lt Cavalry = Cavalry = Cavalry and Light Horse = Light Horse = LH!!!!!!!nickdives wrote:Lt Cav = Light Cavalry = Light Horse = LH!!!!
nickdives wrote:The Polish infantry will be from the Legio Heroica range, I will be able to supplement them from my generic German P&S units where required. My aim will be to have enough units for the earlier periods when armies were often up to 50% Hussar to the Vienna period.
Yet the axe weilders Nik has already said in this thread are more cheerleaders vs quality foot. I'm assuming the Poles will be able to get a contingent of German P/S too? I also wondered how would this mounted force would do in engagements with German/swedish foot. But IIRC fighting each to a standoff-to slight better, The Poles HAD to have an effective answer.....rbodleyscott wrote:And I think you will find that you need more infantry when facing a western army with plenty of pike/shot. You will have to be very lucky to ride down pike and shot, even with your hussars, unless the infantry are of Poor quality. If the dice gods are with you, you may ride down Average pike & shot, but it is hardly a winning strategy on balance. (The enemy cavalry are a different matter).nikgaukroger wrote:nickdives wrote:
Well the problem I see is that over that period the infantry changed a couple of times as did equipment for some of the other troops.
Not exactly.madcam2us wrote: Yet the axe weilders Nik has already said in this thread are more cheerleaders vs quality foot.
For this you also need to consider the quality of the Swedish forces in the earlier stages of the conflict - in particular their suitability/experience for facing the threat posed by the hussars.madcam2us wrote:I also wondered how would this mounted force would do in engagements with German/swedish foot. But IIRC fighting each to a standoff-to slight better, The Poles HAD to have an effective answer......
GA thought enough of his experiences vs the Poles that some authors make the case he copied/learned much from fighting the Poles that lead to his early successes vs the Germans. Namely the emphasis on the cavalry charge with a close range discharge vs the caracole. Still, I thought it a lack of enough mounted that lead to him not wanting to take on the Poles far from his fortress. I hope early Swedish armies are hamstrung in their mounted compositions.rbodleyscott wrote:For this you also need to consider the quality of the Swedish forces in the earlier stages of the conflict - in particular their suitability/experience for facing the threat posed by the hussars.madcam2us wrote:I also wondered how would this mounted force would do in engagements with German/swedish foot. But IIRC fighting each to a standoff-to slight better, The Poles HAD to have an effective answer......
Gustavus' cavalry tactics were, to all intents, just the normal cuirassier tactics as used by, say, Henri IV and Maurice.madcam2us wrote: GA thought enough of his experiences vs the Poles that some authors make the case he copied/learned much from fighting the Poles that lead to his early successes vs the Germans. Namely the emphasis on the cavalry charge with a close range discharge vs the caracole.
Swedish horse is, to some degree, hamstrung as late as Breitenfeld ...Still, I thought it a lack of enough mounted that lead to him not wanting to take on the Poles far from his fortress. I hope early Swedish armies are hamstrung in their mounted compositions.
Madcam.
Agreed!! i was able to get 1/2 of my shot, artillery and my commanders from Legio when a dealer was clearing out old stock. Unfortunately he had already sold off the Hussars.nickdives wrote:Anyway my first batch of Poles arrived from Italy today, Legio Heroica, superb figures, one of the command groups is shown in FOG (R) based on the Osprey picture. Once painted I am sure they will desrve every POA they are allocated!!!
Without giving away the points... Would you care to post their lists?timmy1 wrote:Nik is right. I fought 2 Polish armies at Britcon with Swedes. The hussars are terrifying even for Armoured, Superior, Determined Horse, if you lose the Impact (and mine were Average!).