Slitherine

grumblefish wrote:bug: Later Hellenistic Sparta army list has 0-0 as the limit for the hoplites. Therefore, you cannot take any hoplites (although the pikemen are still available; how about making a special class of neodamodeis hoplites at superior pretty please )

possible bug: Hellenistic Achaians have pikemen as a necessary unit, possibly the other lists do, too; to the best of my knowledge Aratus did not use pikemen, and hellenistic greek armies were still fielding hoplites, only now supported with many thureophoroi and various skirmisher types. This is a fairly big thing for the game, because the Later Hellenistic Sparta army list appears to be Cleomenes' army, which was pike-based and therefore unique compared to his Achaean neighbours.

rbodleyscott wrote:

grumblefish wrote:Personally, if I was a citizen soldier then I'd want to go fight in an awesome metal bell cuirass with a muscle design, rather than some cheap-o art smock with a plastic cover on top

If you could afford it. The average wealth of the hoplite class went down during this period. Metal armour was still used, but it was much less common.

Right, but I guess I never thought of that as being a concern for Spartan citizens. I can't recall any particular source to base my notions on here, but I just assumed the hoplon would have been handed down by generation, or been the absolute number 1 thing a Spartan would have gotten his hands on (the structure of the economy ensuring that this would be one of the few, very valuable things available).

batesmotel wrote:The hoplon (shield) by itself doesn't make the hoplite armoured. So they may well have been handed down but not used with an old fashioned metal cuirass.

Chris