Slitherine

graym wrote:Hang on boys!!
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Didnt really get a ruling on whether you swing a bit / swing on skirmishers / do they evade / dont conform at all .
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I thought the answer was that you swing if you can or not at all - and that no - skirmishering BGs contacted by the swinger due to being in battle line with the swingee are also contaced without chance of evade.

I may be remembering the chain incorrectly.

pcelella wrote:So when you conform as the active player, if your new position also brings you into contact with another BG, then you are also in melee with that BG, even though you did not charge it? I thought it was impossible to initiate combat against another unit unless a charge was involved unless it is movement into an overlap position.

Peter C

But a charge was involved. That's what initiated the need to conform. Conforming is the follow-through of the initial charge that brings the rest of the charging BG into contact with the enemy. The initial bases contacted absorb the shock of first contact, but the impetus of the charge results in the BGs lining up in melee according to where the center of mass is headed. This is why you sometimes shift off a barely contacted base that was contacted in the Impact phase and fully conform to the one next to it. (See examples on pages 72 and 87). You can't voluntarily move into contact in the maneuver phase, but conforming is not movement, and is not voluntary. This is why when you cannot conform for whatever reason, you still count all bases that should have conformed as fighting as if fully conformed. Even if they are not physically in contact with the enemy bases to which they would conform.

Personally I think that previously unengaged troops capable of evading, that were not targets of the charge, should have the option to evade if a BG would conform to them in the maneuver phase.

What about support shooting ?

Three LB Bg of 4 elements are side by side , a 6 element Bg of Kn in line hits the end of the first LB Bg with one element . the impact is fought out .

The impact phase finishes , in the manoeuvre phase the Kn conform and hit all three LB Bgs . There is no support shooting ? Assuming no result from Impact the Kn now fight at evens .

Is the above right ?

gozerius wrote:But a charge was involved. That's what initiated the need to conform. Conforming is the follow-through of the initial charge that brings the rest of the charging BG into contact with the enemy. The initial bases contacted absorb the shock of first contact, but the impetus of the charge results in the BGs lining up in melee according to where the center of mass is headed. This is why you sometimes shift off a barely contacted base that was contacted in the Impact phase and fully conform to the one next to it. (See examples on pages 72 and 87). You can't voluntarily move into contact in the maneuver phase, but conforming is not movement, and is not voluntary. This is why when you cannot conform for whatever reason, you still count all bases that should have conformed as fighting as if fully conformed. Even if they are not physically in contact with the enemy bases to which they would conform.

Personally I think that previously unengaged troops capable of evading, that were not targets of the charge, should have the option to evade if a BG would conform to them in the maneuver phase.

Oh, I'm not contesting whether the rule as written is sensible or not - it appears to be reasonable to me with either interpretation - I just want to make sure I'm playing it correctly, or don't get hammered by my opponents in the future when I point out that this is the way to play it.

Also - I take it that the rules do read that skirmishers can't evade from this kind of conformance contact, even if you personally do not agree with it?

Peter C

Evading is specifically permitted when a BG turns or shifts into contact with a BG eligible to evade during the "movement" portion of the manuever phase. But there is no mention of evading in either the conforming section or the feeding more bases into melee section. For this reason it is generally accepted that evading is not possible in these situations.