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Tassadar wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:14 pm

adiekmann wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:08 am

Magni wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:58 pm No Retaliation + Bär on a fighter is a guaranteed kill per turn (two if you overstrength and catch two enemy planes next to each other) and helps immensely with bullshit fighter units like 303 Squadron at Epsom.

That's what I do too, but use a Hurricane instead of a Spitefire. It has a higher air attack and negates the need for any rapid fire or other + attack hero. The Hurricane's biggest weakness is its low initiative, but that's eliminated with the No Retaliation hero. Your third hero should be Readiness to offset the damage when the AI fighters attack it.

Due to the way attack versus defense works for aircraft, aside from SCW era, the unit shooting first will include ridiculous damage and get minimal damage back.

PaxusZero wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:06 pmVigilant on a fighter fixes this, I believe, because fighters all have low altitude attack (letting them access close defense when attacking tac and other fighters.) However, it’s a bit of a waste because it can be way better on a tank.

Tassadar wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:14 pm

adiekmann wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:08 am

Magni wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:58 pm No Retaliation + Bär on a fighter is a guaranteed kill per turn (two if you overstrength and catch two enemy planes next to each other) and helps immensely with bullshit fighter units like 303 Squadron at Epsom.

That's what I do too, but use a Hurricane instead of a Spitefire. It has a higher air attack and negates the need for any rapid fire or other + attack hero. The Hurricane's biggest weakness is its low initiative, but that's eliminated with the No Retaliation hero. Your third hero should be Readiness to offset the damage when the AI fighters attack it.

For fighters, First Strike is almost as good as No Retaliation. I prefer to saver the latter fro ground units, especially infantry. Due to the way attack versus defense works for aircraft, aside from SCW era, the unit shooting first will include ridiculous damage and get minimal damage back. With overstrength it can even one-shot planes most of the time. Plus, First Strike also works on defense, so no need to assign another Readiness hero and that slot can be used for something even more useful.

Tassadar wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 10:34 pm No Retaliation in general is superior to First Strike. That's because not getting hit at all is really powerful and on the ground with placing units properly (choosing the terrain and placing support fire) the player can in the majority of the situations choose his own battles and discourage the AI from attacking at all. It does not works for fighters however, since nothing supports them and the obviously cannot use terrain benefits. So if an experienced enemy fighters feels lucky it will for sure try to attack. First Strike makes them pay for that dearly, while No Retaliation does nothing in such a case.

As for testing this, I confirm I've seen it in action multiple times. In my "regular" AAR Grenadier Reg 4 infantry has this and it does come into action each time it defends itself in city battles. Same for the Wunderwaffe run where the combo of First Strike and all the bonus attack from awards and heroes kept the He 112 fighter insanely powerful even in 1941. That said, I will have a look at this in my ongoing campaigns to see if it does happens in various scenarios that might impact initiative, but so far I have not noticed any modifier impacting the fat that a First Strike unit will defend first, other than not shooting back at all against No Retaliation units. I have not seen a First Strike vs. First Strike battle to check if initiative gets counted then correctly.

Gfot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:01 pm One of the things I love in PzC are the historical heroes like Kersher, Bar etc. Haven't gotten through the 1942 DLC yet (I restarted from 1939 after the Steamroller changes), but I haven't read anything about similar heroes in this DLC (I understand you get a choice between two AA/AT heroes, and you can altso get Manstein's son if you pick the path that includes Lake Ladoga). Aren't there any historical unique heroes in this DLC? And if that's case, is that something that just happened, or a change in campaign design?

scorehouse wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:27 pm if you have Bar with the First Strike and his double attack, if he were attacked by 3 different fighter groups wouldn't he eliminate them all? or will HAL quit attacking after the first goes down?

scorehouse wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:11 pm ok thanks if you add Overrun, assuming it will work on a fighter, he could take out a lot of planes, correct?

scorehouse wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 8:11 pm ok thanks if you add Overrun, assuming it will work on a fighter, he could take out a lot of planes, correct?

GUNDOBALDO08 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:25 am I found this photos and statistics... We have no one of this pilots!

Patrick Ward wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:06 pm

GUNDOBALDO08 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:25 am I found this photos and statistics... We have no one of this pilots!

For the record, anyone who's been around Panzercorps 2 long enough will remember we ran a request for public domain and family photos of people we could use as heroes.
viewtopic.php?f=464&t=92440
Many of the famous images we all know are copyrighted, usually owned by their estate or various agencies, museums, collections etc. To avoid being sued we have to be extremely careful about what and who we use, hense the call for family portraits of people who served or of provable public domain images.

Thats why we have fewer famous people in game than we'd like.

Pat

BaronVonKrieg wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:23 pm

Patrick Ward wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:06 pm

GUNDOBALDO08 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:25 am I found this photos and statistics... We have no one of this pilots!

For the record, anyone who's been around Panzercorps 2 long enough will remember we ran a request for public domain and family photos of people we could use as heroes.
viewtopic.php?f=464&t=92440
Many of the famous images we all know are copyrighted, usually owned by their estate or various agencies, museums, collections etc. To avoid being sued we have to be extremely careful about what and who we use, hense the call for family portraits of people who served or of provable public domain images.

Thats why we have fewer famous people in game than we'd like.

Pat

cant you just create a portrait, like they did in hoi 4 ?

Patrick Ward wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:38 pm

BaronVonKrieg wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:23 pm

Patrick Ward wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:06 pm

For the record, anyone who's been around Panzercorps 2 long enough will remember we ran a request for public domain and family photos of people we could use as heroes.
viewtopic.php?f=464&t=92440
Many of the famous images we all know are copyrighted, usually owned by their estate or various agencies, museums, collections etc. To avoid being sued we have to be extremely careful about what and who we use, hense the call for family portraits of people who served or of provable public domain images.

Thats why we have fewer famous people in game than we'd like.

Pat

cant you just create a portrait, like they did in hoi 4 ?

We do for briefings but there's relativly few of those required ( eg. 1942 only had 46 paintings ) and we usually have a couple of months lead time. Hero portraits, despite what many people think, require far greater numbers and have to be turned around quickly, most in the last couple of days before release after they've been tested and the final set have been agreed ( small DLC are usually the exception ). By this time the artist will of already moved on to other projects so we have to be as efficient as possible and using a photo is more efficient than a painting or even paintover, like the HOI portraits.

Pat