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Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:37 am
by Ursulet
So i just received my 25th hero.
40% are attack heroes
28% defense
4% range or initiative
8% move
20% spotting (one bomber and 2 arties which i disbanded After couting them all, the bomber i dont mind).
It is in line with my stats over 300 runs. 2/3 are attack or defense heroes. Rest is mostly scouting.
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:38 am
by Ursulet
And i got aaudie murphy
that makes oleh dir look pale in comparison. Like the italian volunteers, wow those heroes are insane.
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:04 am
by captainjack
Spotting's not bad on strategic bombers, though 2 +3attack heroes is much better. Very bad news for soft or naval targets, and could even take points off real heavy tanks. Plus ammo and fuel stripping and city neutralisation. Only had it once, bit very handy.
I compared a 41 save with the 42 save. A bit over represented in A and D heroes in 41 (roughly 35% of each), mainly through lots of +2 A and+3D, which was nice. In 42 I got loads of spotting heroes (from 2 to 7), and a load more +1 A, so a bit of a mixed bag. By the end of 42, The A and D were about 30% each, spotting 20% and move and initiative about 10% each, so heading towards the expected distribution. Still less than 50 heroes in total at the end so I'd expect some unevenness. I didn't could special multiple-spec heroes, only in-game ones.
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:09 am
by Ursulet
Yeah it matches with my stats. 65/70% are attack or defense. Rest is spread between the rest but spotting is above 13%.
I just had 3 more heroes
D3 on artillery
A2 on Hellcat
D1 on tank.
I get good heroes, but a D3 on an arty is such a waste...
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:47 pm
by PeteMitchell
Yes, this could be interesting... playing GC East and West a few times in a row without any reloading and then at the end listing all received heroes across the board...
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:36 pm
by Ursulet
PeteMitchell wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:47 pm
Yes, this could be interesting... playing GC East and West a few times in a row without any reloading and then at the end listing all received heroes across the board...
Better play AK, us corps or soviet corps, we get Heroes faster.
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:55 pm
by dalfrede
Nico has a version of AK that allows import from GC.
He did not update the rules file.
Heroes pile up quickly.
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:53 pm
by goose_2
Ursulet wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:15 am
And a spotting hero on my strat bomber. I have long given up reloading. I just dont bother.
I worked to build up 4 level bombers in my Ultimate playthrough.
1 got +2 attack
1 +3 Def
1 got +1 Movement
1 got Spotting.
What that means is I use +2 attack on every map, hoping for a 2nd great hero.
I use the +3 Def when I need another strat, and my other 2 sit in dry dock.
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:54 pm
by goose_2
By the by...has anyone ever gotten 3 heroes on a Strat? If so how? On what campaign. Would love to see a screen shot of that beast.
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:19 pm
by Ursulet
Never. I dont even think i ever had 2.
By the way, american strat bombers and their artillery are so overpowered. All mobile with loads of ammo. That makes them able to shoot more, get faster xp and kills.
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:27 pm
by faos333
goose_2 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:54 pm
By the by...has anyone ever gotten 3 heroes on a Strat? If so how? On what campaign. Would love to see a screen shot of that beast.
Not me I have also not seen it
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:24 am
by captainjack
I use strat bombers a lot and rarely even manage a second hero. My 2x3A bomber was in the vanilla campaign, so fast hero acquisition.
I currently have a Do217 and He177 with about 550 kills each at the end of 43 (Kremenchug is a good boost) so I'd expect a second hero soon but unlikely to get a 3rd given Soviet AA is getting so dangerous and numerous.
Apart from ships, trucks, trains conscripts in the open are good for 2 or 3 kills per attack in fine weather at 4" or 5" and 14 strength, and most soft targets and early tanks from 13str and 3".
I think the real trick is be lucky and get very early +3A hero which will probably add 1 kill on most attacks, upgrade every opportunity to optimise attack/ammo for your style, always use max overstrength, pick your targets (see above) for kills rather than effect, and keep attacking every chance uou get.
One big problem is that experienced strat bombers are best used on unkillable targets to strip ammo and to help force surrender, which rarely gets kills because they are well armoures well entrenched etc.
Playing to maximise kills makes it a challenge as you are then attacking targets your other units can already deal with.
The US corps strat bomber look like promising candidates for triple hero because of big ammo loads and attack stats, but with only three campaigns there probably isn't enough time.
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:05 pm
by TSPC37730
faos333 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:27 pm
goose_2 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:54 pm
By the by...has anyone ever gotten 3 heroes on a Strat? If so how? On what campaign. Would love to see a screen shot of that beast.
Not me I have also not seen it
No. Even second heroes are very rare and very late. I try to always max overstrength my SB's and try to use them as often as possible. More die rolls leads to more kills, which in turn leads to a better chance to get a second hero. But it's so incremental.
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:11 pm
by TSPC37730
captainjack wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:24 am
I use strat bombers a lot and rarely even manage a second hero. My 2x3A bomber was in the vanilla campaign, so fast hero acquisition.
I currently have a Do217 and He177 with about 550 kills each at the end of 43 (Kremenchug is a good boost) so I'd expect a second hero soon but unlikely to get a 3rd given Soviet AA is getting so dangerous and numerous.
Apart from ships, trucks, trains conscripts in the open are good for 2 or 3 kills per attack in fine weather at 4" or 5" and 14 strength, and most soft targets and early tanks from 13str and 3".
I think the real trick is be lucky and get very early +3A hero which will probably add 1 kill on most attacks, upgrade every opportunity to optimise attack/ammo for your style, always use max overstrength, pick your targets (see above) for kills rather than effect, and keep attacking every chance uou get.
One big problem is that experienced strat bombers are best used on unkillable targets to strip ammo and to help force surrender, which rarely gets kills because they are well armoures well entrenched etc.
Playing to maximise kills makes it a challenge as you are then attacking targets your other units can already deal with.
The US corps strat bomber look like promising candidates for triple hero because of big ammo loads and attack stats, but with only three campaigns there probably isn't enough time.
Excellent tips. They are not going to yield a miraculous improvement, but they are the best one can do.
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:42 pm
by goose_2
Ok this topic had me curious. I looked up my Manstein playthrough where I had started Berlin. I thought I had a pretty beefed up Strat. I did.
over 1400 kills and +4 attack
So it is possible to get a 3rd hero on Strategic Bombers, but highly unlikely.
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:50 pm
by faos333
So lets have a competition then the first who discovers a 3 hero strategic bomber gets a::::::
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:26 pm
by PeteMitchell
faos333 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:50 pm
So lets have a competition then the first who discovers a 3 hero strategic bomber gets a::::::
That's an awesome idea...
My guess is you need to follow captainjack's recommendations and deploy just one strat bomber every scenario and have it attack something every turn for the entire GC east (and maybe try to play the entire campaign with just really one strat bomber)...
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:49 am
by captainjack
PeteMichell, the trick is to deploy ONE MORE strategic bomber. This extra one goes for kills, leaving the other(s) to do normal strat bomber duty.
I'm thinking an SE strat bombers with base 12 strength, 1extra ammo, and 10 extra fuel. That should add a few extra kills per scenario and push up the chances of a 3rd Hero. Looks like I might be doing some work on my equipment file.
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:31 am
by PeteMitchell
OK. There are SE strat bombers?
Re: Type of hero probability
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 9:20 am
by Ursulet
Nope. But i am starting to love US strat bombers. Not only they hit hard but they can defend themselves. B-17 has incredible air defense while b-24 has very good ground défense. They can bomb zither sith no escort or with no fear of the AA guns.