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Re: Mounted Breaking off from elephants

Posted: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:39 pm
by deeter
I bet this can be verified by creating such a situation and bringing up the full dialog (cntrl?) which should should any debit for these disorder states. But I think 76mm is correct.

Deeter

Re: Mounted Breaking off from elephants

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:18 am
by SnuggleBunnies
Disorder, in addition to effecting various POAs, is a straightforward combat % malus. Slight Disorder is 7%. I believe Moderate is 22%.

Re: Mounted Breaking off from elephants

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:13 am
by rbodleyscott
Moderate Disorder = Disorder = 22% combat malus

(Detailed Tooltips are your friend)

Re: Mounted Breaking off from elephants

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:04 am
by Cunningcairn
rbodleyscott wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:13 am Moderate Disorder = Disorder = 22% combat malus

(Detailed Tooltips are your friend)
I know but just cannot get used to using it :-) The game just look so much better than having tool tips appearing all over the place. I mean after all Alexander never used them :-) Thanks for the info.

Re: Mounted Breaking off from elephants

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:06 am
by Cunningcairn
deeter wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:39 pm I bet this can be verified by creating such a situation and bringing up the full dialog (cntrl?) which should should any debit for these disorder states. But I think 76mm is correct.

Deeter
Thanks you are correct I just keep forgetting to use it.

Re: Mounted Breaking off from elephants

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:33 am
by Cunningcairn
TheGrayMouser wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:37 pm There is a reduction in combat power ( which is visible in the combat logs) when you are in the various degrees of "disorder" from avderse terrain and or from elephant/camel stink... Severe Disorder also gives a -1 cohesion test when losing a combat, Units are not considered steady when above slightly disordered ( which generally only effects spears and pikes I think)
Thanks!

Re: Mounted Breaking off from elephants

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:50 am
by rbodleyscott
Cunningcairn wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:04 am
rbodleyscott wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:13 am Moderate Disorder = Disorder = 22% combat malus

(Detailed Tooltips are your friend)
I know but just cannot get used to using it :-) The game just look so much better than having tool tips appearing all over the place. I mean after all Alexander never used them :-) Thanks for the info.
You don't have to have them on all the time. Just hold down the CTRL key when you want to check something out.

Re: Mounted Breaking off from elephants

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:54 pm
by Nosy_Rat
Cunningcairn wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:04 am
rbodleyscott wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:13 am Moderate Disorder = Disorder = 22% combat malus

(Detailed Tooltips are your friend)
I know but just cannot get used to using it :-) The game just look so much better than having tool tips appearing all over the place. I mean after all Alexander never used them :-) Thanks for the info.
Jesus, how good would you be if you were really try-harding in this game :)

Re: Mounted Breaking off from elephants

Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2020 8:37 pm
by Cunningcairn
Nosy_Rat wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:54 pm
Cunningcairn wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:04 am
rbodleyscott wrote: Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:13 am Moderate Disorder = Disorder = 22% combat malus

(Detailed Tooltips are your friend)
I know but just cannot get used to using it :-) The game just look so much better than having tool tips appearing all over the place. I mean after all Alexander never used them :-) Thanks for the info.
Jesus, how good would you be if you were really try-harding in this game :)
Thanks for the compliment but I do try hard. Just don't use the tooltips :-)

Re: Mounted Breaking off from elephants

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:56 am
by MarkShot
I had 2 battles yesterday Rome against Carthage (2nd Punic):

Velites did beautiful against elephants from the front and also stealthed around from the rear. They broke even before reaching the front line.

This is historically correct too. Elephants were quite vulnerable to heavy projectiles.

Re: Mounted Breaking off from elephants

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:19 am
by Cunningcairn
MarkShot wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:56 am I had 2 battles yesterday Rome against Carthage (2nd Punic):

Velites did beautiful against elephants from the front and also stealthed around from the rear. They broke even before reaching the front line.

This is historically correct too. Elephants were quite vulnerable to heavy projectiles.
Yes that makes perfect sense but how did cavalry, be they lance , spear or javelin armed do historically against elephants?

Re: Mounted Breaking off from elephants

Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:23 am
by MarkShot
Ain't that the problem? Horses are smarter than the people riding them!