Slitherine

Kragdob wrote:
For counter attack you need airforce and tanks/mechs - I do not see many - since his income is not great he cannot build them fast. If he did Morris will massacre it with his airforce anyway.

It's all down the hill right now. Soon Western Allies will join.

You are right more then you can think. Anyway, there will be beautiful counterattack, but it will not end good for axis at all.

Plaid wrote:You are right more then you can think. Anyway, there will be beautiful counterattack, but it will not end good for axis at all.

I guess it goes down to the choice of how you want to die

Plaid wrote:

Kragdob wrote:
Anyway, there will be beautiful counterattack, but it will not end good for axis at all.

Yes , the counter attack is really impressive ! But it is difficult to stop the Russian steamroller .

I'm surprised that it's so overwhelming so early on. In my games the winter of 1942/1943 isn't that bad when you use the Fortress Europa strategy.

Cybvep wrote:I'm surprised that it's so overwhelming so early on. In my games the winter of 1942/1943 isn't that bad when you use the Fortress Europa strategy.

I think Morris got some training of Fortress Europe some time ago

Kragdob wrote:

Cybvep wrote:I'm surprised that it's so overwhelming so early on. In my games the winter of 1942/1943 isn't that bad when you use the Fortress Europa strategy.

I think Morris got some training of Fortress Europe some time ago

thank you very much ! My dear trainer !

Relatively good turn.
First of all, I didn't lose any valueable units (mech/tanks) during allied turn.
Apart from Italian armour, which can be quite easily replaced (no action in the MED anyway).





During axis turn we were able to destroy 2 damaged soviet tanks and 1 guard mech corps, even though weather is still winter.
My german infantry have high AT factor aswell as +1 ground attack and defence upgrades, and can perform quite good
against soviet tanks even in winter.



Soviet infantry launches attack in Finland. If Morris fully use his powerful air support here, even my elite german units
(SS mech +1 attack leader, mech +1 attack leader, couple of corps, paratrooper) will not be able to hold Finland for long.

19 PPs of convoy cargo sunk.

Now northern front collapses, and I can't do much about it. Morris has lots and lots of TAC air, so he bombs any tanks,
I deploy for counterattack.

Even worse, combat is still in "winter" weather zone, even though its fair in central Europe zone.

Looks like it was very bad decision to hold where I did, should have tryed to hold at Wisla afterall.



Now I have to launch major retreat all across the eastern front, if I hope to mend my line at all, but I can't even retreat
as long, as weather stays winter.

I really feel for you, Plaid. This is going to be a painful game from here on out.

I don't think a 1942 Barbarossa is a viable strategy unless the Axis player either a) conquers England, b) declines the armistice and brings Spain into the war, or c) both. The Russians just get too strong too quickly, and Germany needs a source of extra PPs to have any chance at all.

Conquering Spain the old-fashioned way won't be enough, but pair that with a successful Sea Lion and Germany gets a lot of extra PPs to fight the USSR. I tried that in a recent game, but I lost touch with my opponent just as Barbarossa was starting. It's too bad; I would have liked to see how it worked. Has anyone else tried that before (Sea Lion and invasion of Spain)?

I don't think a 1942 Barbarossa is a viable strategy unless the Axis player either a) conquers England, b) declines the armistice and brings Spain into the war, or c) both.

You may be right. I've just realised that Plaid doesn't control either Spain or the UK, so his income is probably not as big as it should have been.

joerock22 wrote:Has anyone else tried that before (Sea Lion and invasion of Spain)?

I played game with Morris and I managed to do it by surprise (Morris didn't anticipated I will reject armistice and made a stupid mistake of allowing me to take English port with paratroopers).

The key to win is UK & NA secured which gives you the ability to focus in 90% on Eastern front and be able to repair huge bills from air combats (in the climax of our game I had 20 FTRs and 30-35 air steps to replace per turn but same did the Soviets which prevented them from building many heavy ground units).

I can confirm Kragdob's statement about the UK and NA. In my last game with PF, I managed to score an Ultimate Victory with the Axis, despite the fact that my Case Yellow was unimpressive. The critical point of the game was the fall of GB - I caught PF by surprise (he sent almost everything he had to NA in order to stop me from getting Spain) and scored an easy Sea Lion in 1941. With 200+ PP income, battered UK, Gibraltar under Axis control and the ability to focus on the Eastern Front, the Allies will struggle to make any considerable progress. This can make Fortress Europa a game-winner.

To his credit, Cybveb outwitted me and rolled over the UK in 41 and went on to Ultimate victory. He even did it without BBs, and their absence played a big role in my miscalculations.

p.s. you meant "peterjfrigate," which is a clever sci-fi reference. "Peter North" makes "films." With women.

Cybvep wrote:

I don't think a 1942 Barbarossa is a viable strategy unless the Axis player either a) conquers England, b) declines the armistice and brings Spain into the war, or c) both.

You may be right. I've just realised that Plaid doesn't control either Spain or the UK, so his income is probably not as big as it should have been.

Anyway , Plaid took Sweden which also provide him more pps & easy conquer Norway . Compare with Spain ,the difference are the Spanish free troops including Navy & fighter .

p.s. you meant "peterjfrigate," which is a clever sci-fi reference. "Peter North" makes "films." With women.

Lol, sorry.

Anyway , Plaid took Sweden which also provide him more pps & easy conquer Norway . Compare with Spain ,the difference are the Spanish free troops including Navy & fighter .

Don't forget Gibraltar. You wouldn't be doing anything in the Med if Plaid controlled Gibraltar.

Morris did nothing in the MED anyway in this game.

What are the Allies doing?

Allies landed in Europe and now are about to enter German core hexes.

Wow, your situation is truly FUBAR, isn't it?

Its not really that bad. Good side is that it will be over soon
I really can't do much with 130 PP income facing 20+ soviet air units and 20+ western ones. My others games with the same strategy developed way better.