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Everything is fine except the inscription Russian Red Army !!!

Well, the Bazooka confuses us only put 3000 and 15,000 grenades to them in the framework of lend-lease !

Photo from tests




Mostly Soviet soldiers used captured German grenade launchers )
https://maxpark.com/community/14/content/3351743
http://www.plam.ru/hist/_faustniki_v_boyu/p7.php


Soldiers of the 1st airborne corps at the Parade on may 1, 1941 in Kiev.
https://mayorgb.livejournal.com/26736.html

I like the new style for Soviet infantry type unit icons... I agree with Uzbek, that the big unit card should read "Soviet Red Army" instead of "Russian Red Army".

I specially like the PTRD At rifle unit (I never could make a passable prone infantryman figure!), but I think you should make that prone At gunner figure longer, because it now looks like a dwarf when compared to his kneeling partner (when this last man get on his feet, I thing it would be much taller than the prone soldier).

Also, I think Uzbek is also right about this: Soviet Army troops captured and used LOTS of panzerfaust disposable AT grenade launchers, so, a unit of this type should be included in late war timeframe (I made such a unit sometime ago)

Thanks for the effort!!

Russian armies at that time called themselves all sorts of collaborators and traitors ! The Soviet Union had one army Red like the Navy !


Tatra T18 " Zuk " Light armored tire
http://aviarmor.net/tww2/arm_trains/czech/tatra_t18.htm
https://strangernn.livejournal.com/tag/ ... 0%BD%D0%B0

P.s.Well, if you decided to take a close look at the Soviet troops, what about these guys ?

On the photo: fighters of ШИСБр fighting in complex urban environments

https://histrf.ru/biblioteka/b/spetsnaz ... vye-gruppy
https://www.drive2.ru/b/459976292507364401/
https://en.topwar.ru/36168-istrebiteli-bunkerov.html

Sappers

Penalty battalions go to the breakthrough ...
https://en.topwar.ru/16238-v-proryv-idu ... alony.html

The new Soviet units look great, PAK-mod team. Keep up the great work.!!!

guille1434 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:38 am
I specially like the PTRD At rifle unit (I never could make a passable prone infantryman figure!), but I think you should make that prone At gunner figure longer, because it now looks like a dwarf when compared to his kneeling partner (when this last man get on his feet, I thing it would be much taller than the prone soldier).

Reworked: AT gunner longer, better color

guille1434 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:38 am
Also, I think Uzbek is also right about this: Soviet Army troops captured and used LOTS of panzerfaust disposable AT grenade launchers, so, a unit of this type should be included in late war timeframe (I made such a unit sometime ago)

OK (captured) panzerfausts.

About the bazooka, internet tells they were used. What kind of (heavier) Soviet made infantry AT weapon did the Soviet use after the PTRD?

guille1434 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:38 am I agree with Uzbek, that the big unit card should read "Soviet Red Army" instead of "Russian Red Army".

We go for SOVIET RED ARMY now, thanks

And here they are, the He-111 Z1 and 111 Z2
Thanks to Wurschtmaxe

Hello Phcas!

Thanks for taking in note of the suggestions that forum members make about the work you show here about your mod. And again (I will never get tired of sayin this!) congratulations to you and your partners for taking such a massive job!

The renewed PTRD infantry AT unit looks much better in my opinion in its present version! As well as all the other members of the new family of infantry type Soviet unit icons.

About late war Soviet infantry AT weapons, the fact is that they never bothered to develop and field any system equivalent to the American Bazooka, neither the British Piat (an evolutionary dead end, I would say) nor the German Panzerfaust. They kept using the heavy caliber At rifles, which were cheap to produce and fired a very powerful catridge for a weapon of its size and weight, and in response to the appearence of heavier armored enemy vehicles in the battlefield, they just grouped a larger number of rifles to concentrate fire against those more protected targets. In fact, from short distances, and when fired against the side armor, Soviet AT rifles were reasonably effective even against the very heavily armored Tiger I tank. So, when facing the much more common Pz IV tanks, I think they felt that there was no need to develop better AT weapos for the infantry troops. This, and of course the fact that Soviet government and high commanding officers never were worried about the lives of their own troops in combat, so why spent more money on new weapons if they could kill a tank in exchange for some more infantrymen with AT rifles?

But, after the war they developed the world famous RPG family of rocket grenade launchers, based on what they could learn about the Panzerfaust and adding some new ideas to improve the concept. I think the first version of such weapon was introduced in 1947 (the RPG-2) if I remember well.

phcas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:45 am

guille1434 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:38 am I agree with Uzbek, that the big unit card should read "Soviet Red Army" instead of "Russian Red Army".

We go for SOVIET RED ARMY now, thanks

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Now everything is in order ! About the infantry looks great )
P.s.
At the expense of RPG in the red army it's not that the Soviet government liked to throw enemy tanks caps, hats and earflaps

The BS Petropavlovsky 65-mm rifle
https://en.topwar.ru/159932-perspektivy ... metov.html

The Soviet Union-the birthplace of the world's first automatic grenade launchers all this will appear only later in modern conflicts
https://en.topwar.ru/1988-poluchi-fashi ... ubina.html

The grenade launcher was not adopted, but continued to be tested in 1939. In January 1940, several Taubin grenade launchers took part in the battles on the Karelian isthmus. For several days it was 40 degrees below zero, but the automatic grenade launchers worked flawlessly.
https://www.popmech.ru/weapon/7013-polu ... a-taubina/


Tests of the automatic grenade launcher (AG) Taubina in 1938,late version with store-bought food.
http://weaponland.ru/load/granatomet_ta ... 61-1-0-234
http://otvaga2004.ru/armiya-i-vpk/armiy ... ov-taubin/


On this all Comrades excursion in history is over) I will Go vodka drink, on balalaika play and dance with bears )))

We barbarians in those days were still far from such a brilliant technical idea to fight with tanks This is why anti tank guns PTRD And PTRS were created
https://en.topwar.ru/13190-otechestvenn ... uzhya.html
http://www.wio.ru/galgrnd/atr.htm

Hello Uzbek!

Again, thanks for sharing those links... I did not know about the Tubinka automatic grenade launcher. Without doubt, it was a weapon ahead of its time, and much more effective than the useless 50 mm or 2 inch light mortars that the Germans and British started the war with or the 45 mm Italian Brixia launcher.

I wonder why they did not mass-produced such a wepon to put it in service whith the Soviet armed forces, then...

guille1434 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:25 pm Hello Uzbek!

Again, thanks for sharing those links... I did not know about the Tubinka automatic grenade launcher. Without doubt, it was a weapon ahead of its time, and much more effective than the useless 50 mm or 2 inch light mortars that the Germans and British started the war with or the 45 mm Italian Brixia launcher.

I wonder why they did not mass-produced such a wepon to put it in service whith the Soviet armed forces, then...

Hello guille1434 !


82 mm Turbojet rocket launcher Petropavlovsky
https://strangernn.livejournal.com/1180167.html

Probably "Mortar" remove competitors because their influence was strong ....
Intrigues among developers and military + under covert struggle and search for enemies = alas enemy of the people (


76-мм Dynamo-jet guns of Kurchevsky
https://picturehistory.livejournal.com/4941671.html

P.s.
"I always wondered why in WW2 the red army infantry did not have an effective means of anti-tank self-defense. Why did the Germans and Americans have RPGs and we didn't? Was there an alternative to "Molotov cocktail", PTR, PTRs, anti-tank grenades and captured "Faustpatrons"? ….... It turns out there were. And not a little....."
http://alternathistory.com/alternativno ... oty-v-ww2/


"Various types of military alterations and self-made designs for launching missiles at enemy tanks were actively used throughout the initial period of the great Patriotic war. More or less centralized use of such systems was noted even in the battle of Kursk."

Guides aircraft to machine-gun the machine. Army creativity. The gunner is located on the side and protected by a shield.
https://reibert.info/threads/xoroshie-i ... 333/page-5

phcas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:22 am And here they are, the He-111 Z1 and 111 Z2

111.png

Thanks to Wurschtmaxe

The twins are looking good!

Thanks everyone,

The info is coming in much faster then I can keep up with it making graphics

Anyway, the Guards arrived

Excellent units are always on top )


Commander of the 46th separate red banner armored train of the NKVD of the USSR for the protection of Railways major G. F. Firsov
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Perec ... VD_03.html




"Black Myth" about the Chekists: NKVD troops in the Great Patriotic War
https://en.topwar.ru/15627-chernyy-mif- ... voynu.html