Slitherine

IMO against Graham & Keith's army the lancers are actually a bit of a liability as they may well charge without orders which is what G&H would like.

My lancer was my strategic reserve, they were in range to charge only when I decide to tempt a Breakthrough in a part of the ennemy line.
As Drilled and with a commander, they never charged out of control Kn would be certainly better if drilled

Interest to try it out and will do so at some point and then feel a bit more able to comment from bitter experience I imagine Sad

I played this army 3 times over the week end! First time in a training game where I take the shock of the composition but I end with a winning draw and the certainty that nor I nor them had the time to win in 3h00
And 2 Time the Sunday each time the tactic were refined and in the last game, with a very bad terrain setting, I played one hour to not lose this last game. I'll wait eagerly any tip to overcome victoriously this army

Olivier - how can there be a situation where neither side thinks they have a chance of beating the other so they offer a draw? Was this due to the terrain?

Yes. 19 BG in rough or uneven terrain said,all in range to their IC, we'll not going out and you did you want coming in?
I have only 2 point less than Graham and one match to fight. Accepting a draw was the best solution at the moment. As the player were spread, Normally Keith would fight against Graham. but with two major victory from Jon and Dave, and Keith losing a BG at the last turn, He goes down and the draw was against me, having played each of the top player before Keith:?

dave_r wrote:
I asked Graham how his army would deal with knights and he said that Knights are just fast spearmen. I.e. let the Knights charge (put the MF single rank deep) and then just manoever onto the flanks or let the Knights charge - this would then mean they have impact and one combat to break the BG or they get whacked in the flank.

Sounds to me as though he is expecting the knights to get a bit isolated. Drilled and Superior knights can keep fairly tight, add in an IC and you have massive control and some shooty cavalry work very well with knights in that circumstance. Less co-ordinated and cohesive knight armies he will be correct.

Sounds to me as though he is expecting the knights to get a bit isolated. Drilled and Superior knights can keep fairly tight, add in an IC and you have massive control and some shooty cavalry work very well with knights in that circumstance. Less co-ordinated and cohesive knight armies he will be correct.

And at 26 pts a chuck exactly how wide are Drilled Knights going to be? Especially with an IC in tow!

Grahams whole philosophy comes from attacking the flanks. An army with that amount of firepower is going to be fairly narrow, so he will just attach whatever is on the flank.

I suspect somebody who isn't, erm, as skilled as Graham might struggle to make it work though!

dave_r wrote:
I suspect somebody who isn't, erm, as skilled as Graham might struggle to make it work though!

Quite.

olivier wrote:

Olivier - how can there be a situation where neither side thinks they have a chance of beating the other so they offer a draw? Was this due to the terrain?

Yes. 19 BG in rough or uneven terrain said,all in range to their IC, we'll not going out and you did you want coming in?
I have only 2 point less than Graham and one match to fight. Accepting a draw was the best solution at the moment.

Shame - but I guess in a big multi-round comp there is a chance a draw in the last round is going to be enough to mean the leader can win, even with +5 for a victory.

Presumably Graham felt that if he had tried to play to win (ie attacking into more open terrain) the matchup was then going to be so much in your favour that you would have definately beaten him ?

Shame - but I guess in a big multi-round comp there is a chance a draw in the last round is going to be enough to mean the leader can win, even with +5 for a victory.

Graham played Olivier on Sunday Morning, he played me in the last round!

I think in the game against Olivier, Graham went for the win, but realised somewhere in the middle that it wasn't going to happen. He drew 10-10, but reckoned that in a turn or two it would have been 14-11 to Olivier.

in the game against Olivier, Graham went for the win

From what I saw on the next table they agreed on a draw after deplyment. Otherwise they would both have been taking a big risk to try and win.

They did and scored it 10-10, but they then played the game so that they didn't miss a game out.

dave_r wrote:

Shame - but I guess in a big multi-round comp there is a chance a draw in the last round is going to be enough to mean the leader can win, even with +5 for a victory.

Graham played Olivier on Sunday Morning, he played me in the last round!

I think in the game against Olivier, Graham went for the win, but realised somewhere in the middle that it wasn't going to happen. He drew 10-10, but reckoned that in a turn or two it would have been 14-11 to Olivier.

FWIW a 14-11 score is impossible. It is just possible to get a 15-10 win if you lose more than 95% of your breakpoint doing it.