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Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:10 pm
by Plaid
Again many inefficient soviet attacks all across the front.
Weather turns winter, so we don't counterattack and focus on repairs.
Allied transports retreat from French coast, no landing in 1942.
39 PPs of convoy cargo sunk.
Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:26 pm
by joerock22
Morris always does those weak infantry attacks to drain Axis manpower. He always seems to do better than I expect though. But I have no basis for comparison because I don't make attacks like that. You can turn it to your advantage if you can keep the Russians on the defensive and force him to spend PPs to repair his corps. You might have trouble with that in your game though.
Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:43 pm
by Plaid
joerock22 wrote:Morris always does those weak infantry attacks to drain Axis manpower. He always seems to do better than I expect though. But I have no basis for comparison because I don't make attacks like that.
Actually multiple attacks by weak corps can achieve some damage. Corps have built in shock ability (nowhere close to armor or mech, but still), which helps to drop down effectiveness and score kill or two. Full corps roll 13 dice afterall, even if chance to hit is 10-15%, still they do some damage.
Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:38 pm
by ncali
Plaid wrote:joerock22 wrote:Morris always does those weak infantry attacks to drain Axis manpower. He always seems to do better than I expect though. But I have no basis for comparison because I don't make attacks like that.
Actually multiple attacks by weak corps can achieve some damage. Corps have built in shock ability (nowhere close to armor or mech, but still), which helps to drop down effectiveness and score kill or two. Full corps roll 13 dice afterall, even if chance to hit is 10-15%, still they do some damage.
True! It's particularly effective the lower the defender's efficiency is to begin with, since defender fires first, after attacker's shock attack reduces efficiency. For that's reason, it's often the first attacker that takes the most damage and a second, third, or even fourth attacker has a good shot to do some real damage (making defense continguous lines important).
When your opponent has a lot of other good quality units nearby to counterattack it can be costly.
Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:50 am
by Finland1944
Plaid, I wonder why you've built so many Italian tanks. I've understood that oil is more valuable than pps. So why to waste oil with tanks that are of less quality. (Or maybe they are not, and I just have prejudice against Italians?) But if they are, isn't like fighting and moving mecs that consume oil like tanks?
Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:37 am
by Cybvep
I bet that he invested in anti-tank techs and ignored the navy and the airforce. He probably doesn't want to spend too much MP, as that would make the Italians totally useless.
Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 1:08 pm
by Plaid
Finland1944 wrote:Plaid, I wonder why you've built so many Italian tanks. I've understood that oil is more valuable than pps. So why to waste oil with tanks that are of less quality. (Or maybe they are not, and I just have prejudice against Italians?) But if they are, isn't like fighting and moving mecs that consume oil like tanks?
I totally ignore oil with Axis since GS 2.0 was released, and never ran out of one yet. Looks like I am just not agressive enough to run out of oil (even though I some games in capture Moscow and stuff).
I agree with Cybvep here - I build italian tanks to avoid losing too much manpower.
Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:09 pm
by Morris
Plaid wrote:Finland1944 wrote:Plaid, I wonder why you've built so many Italian tanks. I've understood that oil is more valuable than pps. So why to waste oil with tanks that are of less quality. (Or maybe they are not, and I just have prejudice against Italians?) But if they are, isn't like fighting and moving mecs that consume oil like tanks?
I totally ignore oil with Axis since GS 2.0 was released, and never ran out of one yet. Looks like I am just not agressive enough to run out of oil (even though I some games in capture Moscow and stuff).
In GS 2.1 , If Axis play Europe fortress , They will never suffer the oil problem (If they play normal) . Usually when Axis lose Berlin , they still have 600-1000 oil then .

Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:39 am
by Plaid
Another quiet turn. Soviets keep on their suicide attacks, but nothing major.

Now its totally clear, that no landing happens in France in 1942.
12 PPs of convoy cargo sunk.
Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:27 pm
by Plaid
Another quiet turn - more attacks from soviet infantry and more repairs from us.
Soviet sub sunk in baltic sea by luftwaffe bombers.
Note high strategic tech level of soviet bomber near Odessa. Looks like Morris focused on strategic operations?
No convoy attacks this turn, bad weather limited vision, so I missed both convoys.
Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:28 pm
by Plaid
Soviets launch all-out attack with massive air support (20 units) and destroyed 5 corps at once.
I am not sure anymore, that it will be easy to hold against this pressure.
Minor counterattacks destroy several exposed soviet units. Air casualties are going to be an issue, probably I will be forced to ground
luftwaffe next turn.

Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:28 pm
by Cybvep
Ouch... That must have hurt and it's only 1942. However, not everything is bad - it seems that Morris is targeting Ploesti, which you should be grateful for, as you will probably never have oil issues in this game, anyway. Also, with so many air units, the Soviets may have oil issues on their own, lol.
Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:02 pm
by Morris
Cybvep wrote:Ouch... That must have hurt and it's only 1942. However, not everything is bad - it seems that Morris is targeting Ploesti, which you should be grateful for, as you will probably never have oil issues in this game, anyway. Also, with so many air units, the Soviets may have oil issues on their own, lol.
I have to report that USSR has enough oil around this time .

Ploesti not only privide oil but also pp .
Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 4:58 pm
by Plaid
Full scale offencive continues on the east, I lost both my armour units, mech and couple of corps here.
Front is breached south of Riga and I can't do much about it. I will try to gather some troops near Vilna and Kaunas and launch
counterattack when winter ends. Morris don't have this many ground units, so he probably will not be able to totally destroy my
defences here.
Luftwaffe fully grounded to avoid further casualties.
60 PPs of convoy cargo sunk.
Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:51 pm
by Crazygunner1
You dropped 35 in Manpower on à single turn...thats pretty stiff
Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:56 pm
by Cybvep
Your situation is a bit shitty, the Soviets are surprisingly strong. Maybe you should have camped behind the river instead of defending the Riga region.
Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:23 pm
by afk_nero
It bad but not too bad, summer is soon the the ruskies should get countered.
You need the Finnish fighter during winter, at least it ca fight on par with the Russians. It's all about the counter punch now.
Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:48 am
by Plaid
afk_nero wrote:
You need the Finnish fighter during winter, at least it ca fight on par with the Russians. It's all about the counter punch now.
Morris have ~10 fighters with 6 air combat. I don't think that one finnish fighter changes anything - it would only provide more repair bills.
Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:50 am
by Kragdob
afk_nero wrote:It bad but not too bad, summer is soon the the ruskies should get countered.
You need the Finnish fighter during winter, at least it ca fight on par with the Russians. It's all about the counter punch now.
For counter attack you need airforce and tanks/mechs - I do not see many - since his income is not great he cannot build them fast. If he did Morris will massacre it with his airforce anyway.
It's all down the hill right now. Soon Western Allies will join.
Re: Plaid vs Morris №3
Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:52 am
by Plaid
I have to say, that this is much harder to hold in Poland, using my strategy. Last time I used it vs. Supermax he pushed in the south
towards Romania and it was quite easy to defend there, across the rivers.
In this game I suffer, trying to defend on flat terrain of Poland and Baltic states.
Anyway, I am not ready to retreat to Wisla line in 1942-43 winter - it will bring soviets dangerously close to Berlin.
We will do our best to hold current positions and probably try some counterattack when weather becomes better.
This turn I had an opportunity to destroy 2 soviet tanks in the south, near Lvov, but I decided not to take any chances. 2 armour units,
which I lost in the north already hurts. We will retreat to river line and allow soviets to deplete themselves a bit.
Luftwaffe is also in terrible shape and I am not sure, how I am going to repair it. Maybe I should forget about it as it is -
I have only minor tech edge over soviets, while they have great superiority in numbers and PPs.
Ah, yes. 52 PPs of transport cargo sunk again. Morris does not care much about his convoys.