Slitherine

kilroy wrote:The Mamluk Sultanate for its next action:

Proposes an Alliance with the Ottoman Empire.

kilroy

We of course immedietly accept such a wise and unexpected proposal.

Lysimachos wrote:Next move, then, is a Diplomatic Mission to the Duchy of Milan with the proposal of an Alliance, requesting the payment of 100 ducats.

The Milanese graciously accept the invitation from the Doge to form an alliance (your cheque is in the carrier pigeon! ) and we also look forward to signing a trade agreement in due course.

Having found a little flaw in the rules when reporting on the Summary Chart the outcome of today's diplomatic missions I changed them as follows:

Diplomatic Missions
If the proposal is accepted in due time, the Diplomatic Agreement becomes immediately operational and the proponent gains 1 Prestige Level but his action lasts until the 23.59 GMT hr. of the 4th day from the launch of the Diplomatic Mission.

In fact the preeceding rule said that the agreement became operational at the expiry of the 4th day though both players had already signed it, which really doesn't seem logical.
The aim of the rule was instead to avoid that the proponent could immediately launch a new action, without suffering the 4 days delay involved in making any non military action and the new wording is better apt to realize it.

Sigh… I’m sorry that this is a long and confusing post.

On 08/19 I posted:
1st Action
Land Attack
Mamluks attack Cyrenaica (target) from Marmarica (starting point)
750 pts. Battle, DM on, FoW on.
Defending army led by a player randomly chosen with the lottery draw of Tuesday (Thursday, Saturday).

2nd Action
Land Attack
Mamluks attack Libya (target) from Egypt (starting point)
750 pts. Battle, DM on, FoW on.
Defending army led by a player randomly chosen with the lottery draw of Tuesday (Thursday, Saturday).

On 08/21 Lysimachos posted:
So, matching the attacks with the lottery draws, we have that:
Iandavidsmith will defend Cyrenaica vs kilroy
Kilroy (scales down one level in order to avoid battling himself) will defend Languedoc vs Triarius
TGM (goes up one level) will defend Lybia vs Kilroy…

On 08/21 I posted:
Mamluks attack Cyrenaica (target) from Marmarica (starting point) iandavidsmith defending.
750 pts. Battle, DM on, FoW on.
PW = iandavidsmith

Mamluks attack Libya (target) from Egypt (starting point) TGM defending.
750 pts. Battle, DM on, FoW on.
PW = TheGrayMouser

On 08/26 I posted:
The Mamluk Sultanate’s attack on Cyrenaica from Marmarica had been defeated.
Mamluks 45/45, Zirids 51/73
An 18.6% ratio and thus a strategic victory for the independent province of Cyrenaica.

The problem:
This was the battle fought against TGM, which means that my attack on Libya from Egypt, not Cyrenaica, was defeated. So then the Hafsid Kingdom attacks Cyrenaica from Tripolitania, which I’m currently defending against hidde as an independent province…
…and I just won a hard fought battle against iandavidsmith, which is really the independent province of Cyrenaica!

Mamluks 42/45 Zirids 65/63 a 4.6 ratio and a Tactical Victory.

There are crowds gathering outside carrying torches and clubs...

kilroy

kilroy,
am I right if I take this to mean I should be facing your Mamluk army instead of the Siris?
I'm willing to scrap the current game and start over with the same settings.

Cheers

hidde wrote:kilroy,
am I right if I take this to mean I should be facing your Mamluk army instead of the Siris?
I'm willing to scrap the current game and start over with the same settings.

Cheers

Yes, but I'm waiting for an official ruling from Lysimachos.

kilroy

kilroy wrote:Sigh… I’m sorry that this is a long and confusing post.

On 08/19 I posted:
1st Action
Land Attack
Mamluks attack Cyrenaica (target) from Marmarica (starting point)
750 pts. Battle, DM on, FoW on.
Defending army led by a player randomly chosen with the lottery draw of Tuesday (Thursday, Saturday).

2nd Action
Land Attack
Mamluks attack Libya (target) from Egypt (starting point)
750 pts. Battle, DM on, FoW on.
Defending army led by a player randomly chosen with the lottery draw of Tuesday (Thursday, Saturday).

On 08/21 Lysimachos posted:
So, matching the attacks with the lottery draws, we have that:
Iandavidsmith will defend Cyrenaica vs kilroy
Kilroy (scales down one level in order to avoid battling himself) will defend Languedoc vs Triarius
TGM (goes up one level) will defend Lybia vs Kilroy…

On 08/21 I posted:
Mamluks attack Cyrenaica (target) from Marmarica (starting point) iandavidsmith defending.
750 pts. Battle, DM on, FoW on.
PW = iandavidsmith

Mamluks attack Libya (target) from Egypt (starting point) TGM defending.
750 pts. Battle, DM on, FoW on.
PW = TheGrayMouser

On 08/26 I posted:
The Mamluk Sultanate’s attack on Cyrenaica from Marmarica had been defeated.
Mamluks 45/45, Zirids 51/73
An 18.6% ratio and thus a strategic victory for the independent province of Cyrenaica.

The problem:
This was the battle fought against TGM, which means that my attack on Libya from Egypt, not Cyrenaica, was defeated. So then the Hafsid Kingdom attacks Cyrenaica from Tripolitania, which I’m currently defending against hidde as an independent province…
…and I just won a hard fought battle against iandavidsmith, which is really the independent province of Cyrenaica!

Mamluks 42/45 Zirids 65/63 a 4.6 ratio and a Tactical Victory.

There are crowds gathering outside carrying torches and clubs...

kilroy

So, if I'm not missing something, this means:
- that the repelled attack was that launched from Egypt to Lybia,
- and that you've instead won a tactical victory in the attack launched from Marmarica to Cyrenaica.

If the things stand as above you have gained 1 stability pt. and 32 ducats of booty but missed the goal of conquering Cyrenaica, wich has maintained its independence.
Therefore we may carry on without any problem, because the attack launched from hidde correctly regards an independent province, and you are correctly defending it with its independent army!

As someone said: Much ado about nothing!

By the way I would also remind all the players that tomorrow we'll have the first lottery draw of the new month which will be dedicated to the Random Events!

Prepare yourself to face riots, famine, earthquake, storms

and, only if you're lucky, some good harvest and the coming of clever politicans!

I missed that last line about the tactical victory!
So we'll continue.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, I can invade Sicily now...
Challenge for Triarius:
Hafsids vs Aragonese
750 pts
DM on and FoW off.
PW=Husky

The Mamluk Sultunate for its next action:

Constructs fortifications in Egypt.

Kilroy

Any news about the following battle:

Aragonese from Catalonia to Languedoc

Having completed the outfitting of a ew fleet the the "Council of the Ten", having consulted the "Major Council" and in accordance with the desires of the Doge, decrees the building of fortifications in Crete since the deteriorating situation in the Aegean and North African theatres requires immediate actions to strengthen the position of the "Serenissima" possessions in the area.

Lysimachos wrote:Any news about the following battle:

Aragonese from Catalonia to Languedoc

Should it really be Aragonese from Catatonic to Languid?

Hi all!

Here are the results of the lottery draw of today and the consequent random events:
Byzantines (Bari 41) Administrative Reforms / +1 stability level
Aragonese (Cagliari 12) Famine / -25 ducats
Milanese (Firenze 16) Famine / -25 ducats
Hafsids (Genova 55) Good Harvest / + 25 ducats
Castilians (Milano 60) Good Harvest / + 25 ducats
Mamluks (Napoli 60) Good Harvest / + 25 ducats
Ottomans (Palermo 45) Administrative Reforms / +1 stability level
Venetians (Roma 10) Riots / -1 stability level

Lysimachos wrote:Hi all!

Here are the results of the lottery draw of today and the consequent random events:
Byzantines (Bari 41) Administrative Reforms / +1 stability level

Yes !!!! all my prayers where answered
Finally a Lotto Draw worth wining.
Ian

stockwellpete wrote:

Lysimachos wrote:Any news about the following battle:

Aragonese from Catalonia to Languedoc

Should it really be Aragonese from Catatonic to Languid?

That would be the messenger Languedoc became part of Aragon a few days ago no more "oc" only "si" allowed.

Triarius wrote:

stockwellpete wrote:

Lysimachos wrote:Any news about the following battle:

Aragonese from Catalonia to Languedoc

Should it really be Aragonese from Catatonic to Languid?

That would be the messenger Languedoc became part of Aragon a few days ago no more "oc" only "si" allowed.

Hi Mike,
may we have the detailed result of the battle in order to verify which kind of victory it was?

Lysimachos wrote:

Triarius wrote:

stockwellpete wrote: Should it really be Aragonese from Catatonic to Languid?

That would be the messenger Languedoc became part of Aragon a few days ago no more "oc" only "si" allowed.

Hi Mike,
may we have the detailed result of the battle in order to verify which kind of victory it was?

Hi the messenger was also rushing to pick up his wife again
Result was
Points 750
FoW On DM On
Aragon 17/57
France (Languedoc) 67/57

A 44% strategic victory for Aragon - we need the booty after the calamity of our recent harvest?

A query. The rules state,

"A player cannot have more than 3 Diplomatic Agreements running at the same time."

So if a player has an Alliance with another player how many agreements is this as an alliance incorporates a Peace Treaty and a Mutual defense Agreement? If the same two powers then agree a trade agreement to go along with their alliance does that mean they have used up all their diplomatic agreements? Thanks.

stockwellpete wrote:A query. The rules state,

"A player cannot have more than 3 Diplomatic Agreements running at the same time."

So if a player has an Alliance with another player how many agreements is this as an alliance incorporates a Peace Treaty and a Mutual defense Agreement? If the same two powers then agree a trade agreement to go along with their alliance does that mean they have used up all their diplomatic agreements? Thanks.

Of course, no!
An Alliance is only 1 diplomatic agreement (the fact it its content incorporates those of a Peace Treaty and a Mutual Defence Agreement doesn't alter its homogeneous nature).
Consequently the player bound with an Alliance to another has two more diplomatic slot still free to use.