Slitherine

Apple Robber wrote:Was this Lynda's or David's handiwork ?

David just has to wear it when it gets cold. If he complains he gets to wear his dinner.

david53 wrote:

MatthewP wrote: I might have to get a skythian and start mincing about the battle field. Gawd elp me!!
Matthew

You'd be so lucky none of you infantry types using a proper army like the Skythians When your back of your hols bring your Skythians to the club and we'll have a game.
Dave

Infantry armies cant stop, theres restricted parking on single yellow lines!

Its all Lyndas work,she'll put the patterns up shortly ,and I'm in enough trouble with the tree episode ,to see the Knitted trees you will need to come to the Scotland round of the Doubles or Roll Call,I wont be packing for either
David

Let's hope there are no potter wargamers out there, they would need a truck to get their terrain to the competition.

JimmyThePict wrote:Let's hope there are no potter wargamers out there, they would need a truck to get their terrain to the competition.

I did make some pottery ruined buildings when I was a teenager. The fact that my mum is a potter and has her own kiln made life fairly easy.

I am not sure I would want to cart a load of earthenware or stoneware trees around with me though.

I don't what Jim has to complain about pottery terrain for. After all he is the one with the Pictish stone casualty markers which are actual pieces of rock. Hardly travelling light himself!!!
John

Well, the results are up.

Hy

Poping in to say hello, just returned home with the whole familly ;

We had a great time ( and a third place at FOG early was a bonus ) but as you know I will not come back next year but will try the year after .

Cheers

Jacques

Hi Jaques
I noticed that you were using Nikephorian Byzantine at Britcon.
Would you mind putting a copy of your list on the forum as I always liked Nikephorians under DBM and would like to try them in FoG but can't seem to come up with a good list.
Thanks
David T

There are two different lists in the Nikephorians, one before you can have Norman Kn and one after. Jaques use the earlier list but Phil Powell and I used the later version at Usk in January.

Our list was based on 4 Normans, 6 superior Varangians, 2 blocks of 8 Skutatoi, several average lancer cavalry BG and everything else either light horse or light foot. I can't off hand find the list but it did pretty well.

Here it is .

Beware it is a pre 1000 AD list and would be difficult to use against a KN based army

The list works well and has it's stenghts and weaknesses . The last game was the most difficult against heavy roman infantry . Due to terrain I had no other option but to charge straight ahead . I managed to break the roman left flank, but could not manage to do it quickly enough to win . The game with Phil's Italian Ostrogoth was a well balanced one but with wimilar units, dice were very important and that day, were not enough with me + I made one decision that prooved bad in the end . But interesting games , funny one's also .

By the way, I maintain, I was very lucky on saturday

As to why I took some units ...well that's open to discussion

Basileus Jean Ier Tzimiskes IC - - - - - - CinC 1 80 80 - General
Strategos Bardas Skleros TC - - - - - - - 1 35 35 - General
Strategos Bardas Phocas TC - - - - - - - 1 35 35 - General
Harun Al Rachid TC - - - - - - Ally general 1 25 25 - General
1 Light infantry LF Unprotected Poor Drilled Javelins Light spear - - 6 2 12 2 2
2 infantry HF Protected Average Drilled - defensive spearmen Spearmen - 4 7 28 2 4
2 infantry MF Protected Average Drilled Bow - - - 4 7 28 - 2
3 Light infantry LF Unprotected Poor Drilled Sling - - - 4 2 8 1 2
4 bedouin ( hamdanid ) LH Unprotected Average Undrilled - Lancers Swordsmen - 4 8 32 1 2
5 Varangians HF Protected Average Undrilled - Offensive spearmen Spearmen - 8 7 56 2 4
6 bedouin LH Unprotected Average Undrilled - Lancers Swordsmen - 4 8 32 1 2
7 Kataphraktoi Ct Heavily armoured Elite Drilled - Lancers Swordsmen - 1 23 23 1 2
7 Kataphraktoi Ct Heavily armoured Elite Drilled Bow - Swordsmen - 1 25 25 - 0
8 bédouin ( hamdanid ) LH Unprotected Average Undrilled - Lancers Swordsmen - 4 8 32 1 2
9 hamdanid armoured cavalry Cv Armoured Superior Undrilled - Lancers Swordsmen - 4 16 64 1 3
10 Cavalry Cv Armoured Superior Drilled Bw* Lancers Swordsmen - 4 19 76 1 3
11 Cavalry Cv Armoured Superior Drilled Bw* Lancers Swordsmen - 4 19 76 1 3
12 Cavalry Cv Armoured Superior Drilled Bw* Lancers Swordsmen - 4 19 76 1 3
13 Infantry HF Protected Average Drilled - defensive spearmen Spearmen - 4 7 28 2 4
13 infantry MF Protected Average Drilled Bow - - - 4 7 28 - 2

Many thanks
The list looks interesting. I'll have to give it a go. I like the idea of the later list with the better quality Varangians and the Normans, however, I also like the Tagmatic kataphraktoi and you don't get very many of these in the later version (historically it wasn't as succesful as the earlier version either).

One of the things you have to decide is how to use the lone cataphract unit . I used it mostly in a cavalry line between 2 CV units . it slows down the cav, prohibits you sometimes from shifting one base but in a CV vs CV battle it might give you the edge needed .

bahdahbum wrote:One of the things you have to decide is how to use the lone cataphract unit . I used it mostly in a cavalry line between 2 CV units . it slows down the cav, prohibits you sometimes from shifting one base but in a CV vs CV battle it might give you the edge needed .

Sounds like how they were used historically to me

As for the shifting as long as you move as a BL then you can still shift as the movement of a BL is based on the slowest BG.