Slitherine

supermax wrote:Quite funny how things got heated up here

Diplo, thanks for the praise, but i dont deserve that much... Rest assured that i cant wait for my revenge its gonna be as sweet as the first candy i tasted!

Dont hotseat too much, i'll be the one setting the pace of the game anyway

Just posturing, of course . A little bit of psychological warfare before the game wont hurt me will it?

hehehe

supermax wrote:Dont hotseat too much, i'll be the one setting the pace of the game anyway

rkr1958 wrote:

supermax wrote:Dont hotseat too much, i'll be the one setting the pace of the game anyway

As the allies! Ouch ... if I were you Diplomaticus, I'd be scared --- I'd be very scared indeed.

Crazygunner1 wrote:Ha ha ha...good going guys

Give him hell Diplo....he deserves it No offense Max....

Cybvep wrote:Germany is a she? What happened to the Fatherland? O_o

Cybvep wrote:This is Germania, a broader term . AFAIK unlike Russia (Mother Russia), Germany is described as the Fatherland (quick check - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatherland).

Stauffenberg wrote:Finland only surrenders if there are too few Axis units in Finland and Finnish cities + rail depots are captured by the Allies. Tallinn (the capital of Estonia and not a rail depot) is also counted. If you read the history of the Finnish surrender you understand why. Tallinn is very close to Helsinki so a Soviet presence there means the Soviets could land or bombard Helsinki.

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I don't think this is something bad with the game. If you forget to garrison your cities then you face the consequences. I always garrison mine. Morris is known for not garrisoning his cities. If you empty a minor ally country of all their forces then you have to blame yourself if the country surrenders if the enemy appears there. The real Finns would never allow their entire army to leave Finland and fight somewhere else. Most minor countries only sent a few of their units to other countries to fight.

Clark wrote:

Stauffenberg wrote:Finland only surrenders if there are too few Axis units in Finland and Finnish cities + rail depots are captured by the Allies. Tallinn (the capital of Estonia and not a rail depot) is also counted. If you read the history of the Finnish surrender you understand why. Tallinn is very close to Helsinki so a Soviet presence there means the Soviets could land or bombard Helsinki.

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I don't think this is something bad with the game. If you forget to garrison your cities then you face the consequences. I always garrison mine. Morris is known for not garrisoning his cities. If you empty a minor ally country of all their forces then you have to blame yourself if the country surrenders if the enemy appears there. The real Finns would never allow their entire army to leave Finland and fight somewhere else. Most minor countries only sent a few of their units to other countries to fight.

I don't think it's crazy to assume that the Finns would not surrender if A) the entire Soviet Union had surrendered to the Germans, and B) the Brits raided one Finnish city other than Helsinki. Tallinn's pretty meaningless if there's no Soviet Union to use it as a staging ground.

And if Finland wouldn't have allowed their units to fight in a distant theater, why not actually restrict them to Finnish territory + a few hexes of Soviet territory?

Diplomaticus wrote:Hey, guys, after a very long hiatus, I'm posting an update on our ongoing game.

First, an explanation: Right around the time that my armies were getting truly overwhelmed by Morris's attacks, I was also getting truly overwhelmed by RL. The several CEAW opponents who have been very patient with me for the past couple of months have sometimes had to wait and wait for my turns. I thought that this AAR had already served its purpose anyway, so with time short I didn't see much point in adding to an AAR that was based on now obsolete data (we began it in RC11).

Then something happened in the last move, and M asked me to please post the latest results for general discussion. Here they are:

1) It's now November 1942, and the Russians are at death's door. After the complete collapse of my attempted defense line in 1941, leading to the loss of both Stalingrad and Moscow, the Russians were in desperate straits. In the summer of 1942, I attempted to form a defense of the rough terrain near Omsk along the lines of what Joe Rock did, but the Axis got fair weather all through October *and even November* 1942, which led to this awful picture:



2) But on the bright side, the Allies have a quite strong landing in southern France (no Overlord yet), and here comes the big thing--look carefully at this screen shot:



The Western Allies hold Sardinia, Tunis, Tripoli, and are about to land in Tirana (Albania). Our partisan friends had taken Trieste a couple turns previously. Voila! Italy surrenders.

In an email, Morris wrote: "Tirana again ! If you read the AAR , you should know I met the same situation in the AAR with Doug . You should also know the reason for it ,also the comments! ... We always criticize others gamey . But as there are no allies troops in any  Italy city but a Patisan  who is almost die on a rail rub , Italy surrender ?/!! It is really unreasonable !!!! It is a gamey point !"

Well, you be the judge. On the one hand, M makes a sensible point. Should partisans really count in the surrender conditions? And this cheesy little gar grabbing Tirana?

However, I don't think it's a glitch or gamey. Picture this: Germans are running rampant all over Russia. Yeah! Meanwhile, their Italian "Allies" have been stuck on garrison duty in France. Oh, and they got kicked out of all of North Africa with zero help from their "allies". Oh, and they lost Sardinia too. Oh, and the Allies have liberated Corsica and have a very large force in Marseilles-Nice, and that force has begun to move into northern Italy. Hitler, Mussolini's "friend" couldn't even be bothered to send some old men & Hitler youth to stop a Yugoslavian partisan force from entering Trieste (which, btw, did actually happen late in the war). Don't you think under these circumstances that a coup d'état might overthrow Il Duce?