Slitherine

philqw78 wrote:

azrael86 wrote:I take it you mean submit it as part of the list.

yes

Although it seems a bit arbitrary to do this before you know what you are facing.

Its also quite arbitrary submitting what troops you must use and what order of march they must be in before you know where or what you are fighting

azrael86 wrote:That has more historical reality - the army musters before it marches.

azrael86 wrote:

david53 wrote:

azrael86 wrote: OK, so you are claiming that retiring* ISN'T defensive?



*AKA running like girls, or like those Boer auxiliaries in Zulu

Retiring is a tactic not a stratagy such as defensive.

Rubbish it can be either. The Russians in 1812 and 1941 retired as a strategy. However strategy isn't a part of Fog or any other TTG system. So yes, taking a tactical defensive is exactly what steppe armies do. And as such, it is no different from the HYW english who use strategic aggression and then deploy between two woods.

philqw78 wrote:

azrael86 wrote:That has more historical reality - the army musters before it marches.

As much as Aztecs fighting HYW Scottish. Which is what we are trying to make rules for here. Bell End

david53 wrote:What happened to the elephant

david53 wrote:

azrael86 wrote:
Rubbish it can be either. The Russians in 1812 and 1941 retired as a strategy. However strategy isn't a part of Fog or any other TTG system. So yes, taking a tactical defensive is exactly what steppe armies do. And as such, it is no different from the HYW english who use strategic aggression and then deploy between two woods.

So what you want to do is still on top of a hill behind your fortifactions awaiting people to charge up at you while both your flanks are protected by steep hills but thats not defensive is it not at all, its a foot tactic.

azrael86 wrote:

philqw78 wrote:

azrael86 wrote:I take it you mean submit it as part of the list.

yes

Although it seems a bit arbitrary to do this before you know what you are facing.

Its also quite arbitrary submitting what troops you must use and what order of march they must be in before you know where or what you are fighting

That has more historical reality - the army musters before it marches.

azrael86 wrote: It is also true that many Cv armies are just as bad. armoured superior cav running away from protected medium foot in the open.

david53 wrote:

azrael86 wrote: It is also true that many Cv armies are just as bad. armoured superior cav running away from protected medium foot in the open.

Thats strange even if you don't have a lance its evens at impact at most and more than likely evens in melee and again as a large amount of medium foot are average you could die very quickly and me being mad i would charge you without a thought if you were in the open.... but then i am mad....

gozerius wrote: The player who wins the PBI roll must select a terrain type from his own list if his dr was even, from his opponents list if his dr was odd.

david53 wrote:

azrael86 wrote: It is also true that many Cv armies are just as bad. armoured superior cav running away from protected medium foot in the open.

Thats strange even if you don't have a lance its evens at impact at most and more than likely evens in melee and again as a large amount of medium foot are average you could die very quickly and me being mad i would charge you without a thought if you were in the open.... but then i am mad....

azrael86 wrote:

david53 wrote:

azrael86 wrote: It is also true that many Cv armies are just as bad. armoured superior cav running away from protected medium foot in the open.

Thats strange even if you don't have a lance its evens at impact at most and more than likely evens in melee and again as a large amount of medium foot are average you could die very quickly and me being mad i would charge you without a thought if you were in the open.... but then i am mad....

Really? Obviously not any old MF, but good MF. For instance:

Almughavars with spear, dailami or longbow.

Starting with the secret history (cos I'm reading it just now)...

1201: Temuljin and Ong Khan attack Jamulka (the rival Mongol leader).

First battle, Koyten: Temuljin's troops attack up steep wooded hills. Cavalry
on both sides is described as going forward, retiring, reforming their lines
then attacking again several times. Temuljins tribal allies form a 'jada'
(thunderstorm) formation and force their opponents into ravines winning the
battle.

Second battle, Erguine River: Jamulka's troops use pavaises (the Mongol term is
'square shields' but the Chinese documents are pavaise/mantlet) and palisades to
defend thickly wooded islands in the river. Temuljin's troops dismount and
attack. Stalemate the first day, intermittent fighting overnight then an renewed
attack at dawn dispels Jamilka's army.

1202: Against the Tartars
Featureless battlefield, so the Tartars build a 'fortress', this is assaulted
(with heavy Mongol losses). The defeated Tartars are eliminated.

1202: Ong Khan (Kerait) attacks and defeats the Merkid at the battle of Barkuin
Hollow - an old impact crater, wooded slopes and a marshy bottom.

1202: Temuljin and Ong Khan face up to the Naimen across the Kara Seul river.
Ong Khan withdraws at night, leaving his campfires burning. In the morning the
Mongols withdraw across a mountain pass. The Naimen decide to chase the Kerait
and defeat them in a running battle along the Selenge river (wooded banks).


Two years of typical Mongol warfare and typical Mongol battles.

Tom..

shall wrote:One thing we are considering is to allow the player who wins the PBI roll to either:

Choose terrain and deploy second move second
or
Let opponent choose terrain and deploy first and move first

Would allow high PBI foot armies to move first for instance.

Si

shall wrote:One thing we are considering is to allow the player who wins the PBI roll to either:

Choose terrain and deploy second move second
or
Let opponent choose terrain and deploy first and move first

Would allow high PBI foot armies to move first for instance.

Si