Slitherine

heinzrondorf wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 6:48 am

TSPC37730 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 2:33 am 1st SdKfz 232: +2A, 565 kills
21st SdKfz 232: +3A, 385 kills

That is very impressive and it must be quite challenging playing aggressive with a recon but not overdoing it so that it gets killed. What 2nd hero are you hoping for?

IMO, the first couple of years are easier. The SdKfz 232 isn't that much weaker than the early lighter allied tanks, so, you can often pick your battles, and stand and fight if you wish. I also try to employ the SB "attack units on rivers" tactic to compensate for the weaker attack values. I used both units extensively in Piatek, for example. I do believe the kill numbers are good so far, but, my rate of kills will definitely go down. I just completed the Crete Naval scenario, and the "Recon Happy Time" is just about over. Russian tanks and AT units are much stronger, so it will be very easy for me to blunder into a disaster.

To answer your question, I think I'd get the most benefit out of a movement hero. Recon units are favorite targets of enemy tanks - and aircraft. In order for them to stay alive, they will have to move, fire, and then hide - ideally conspicuously so behind the largest friendly tanks that I have. Movement heroes would be the most beneficial to this end.

That's impressive for a recon, even better for a pair. In my half-started BEF mod, I have SE recons with 2 extra spotting. I think it's a bit like AA and ariller - the extra range (spotting for recon) is nice, but the move is better.

My Strat bomber got his 1,000th kill right at the start of 42 in Vitebsk and finally got his second hero. I re-rolled (4spots, A1, A2, D1x2, D2 x2 and then A3 which I kept). I'd have been content with D3 for when I get jumped by SPAA or fighters.
Currently about to start Stalingrad docks at 1366 kills as a 14strength 4* He177, +2A and +3A heroes, and hoping to end with around 1500 kills (and a third hero maybe) from all those lovely transports.

Wow!

So if you play on a low difficulty, reload the hero's you get,reload the bad rolls, and pick better targets. This somehow is an achievement?

Good luck guys..

I love the challenge being attacked with such vigor

goose_2 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 6:59 pm I love the challenge being attacked with such vigor

Doubt you will ever have the balls to start a new multi-player competition then.....

Loved it mate and much respect.

Rifraff wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 7:44 pm

goose_2 wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 6:59 pm I love the challenge being attacked with such vigor

Doubt you will ever have the balls to start a new multi-player competition then.....

Loved it mate and much respect.

Yeah that insanely large mp tournament I put on drained me to a crazy level. I will never take on something that big again. But I would consider putting on a smaller tournament later this year.

Only people who have had 3 hero strat bombers invited though?

Probs won't be as big as the crazy one.,.

Something small would be good.

I'd normally broadly share Riffraff's view on re-rolls, preferring to make the best of what I'm given.
The original intent was to see if it was possible to get enough kills with a strat bomber to have a chance of a third hero. It looked likely that decent attacking heroes would be necessary to have any chance of reaching 1001 kills (the minimum needed to have any chance of a second hero) by the end of 44 East, and certainly they looked essential to get anywhere near the 3,000 required to guarantee a third. As initiative, move and spotting heroes have no effect on the ability to get kills (actually movement has a marginal benefit by giving a slightly better choice of target), I decided to make an exception this time to see what was possible, especially as I'd previously had a trial from end 41, with only an initiative hero (which is almost completely useless on a strat bomber).
1,001 kills at the start of 42 shows it's possible to become eligible for a third strat bomber hero much earlier than I'd expected, and I'm now curious to see how close I can get to 3,000, which will guarantee one.
Edit:
viewtopic.php?t=62845 is a link which includes combat results prediction tables for direct and indirect attacks. I'll have a look at how results compare for my previous run through 42 and 43 to see how much was having better practice at aiming for kills and how much was having re-rolled for good attack heroes.

Just stirring mate... Don't think anyone could have re-rolled as much as me. I feel guilty every time and swear I will never do it again. I do though.

Don't worry - it doesn't hurt to remind myself what I was aiming for.
Also it reminded me to dig out the combat results table which I'd been trying to find for a while.

Rifraff wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:11 am Just stirring mate... Don't think anyone could have re-rolled as much as me. I feel guilty every time and swear I will never do it again. I do though.

stirring is one thing, but some of the comments made in some of your replies are starting to attract my attention, so please stay within the rules on replies thanks, everyone is entitled to a opinion, but it's how someone expresses it and how others view and reply to that post which may cause some of the posts to be edited or removed.

Just finished 42 with 1587 kills (so an extra 601 in 42) but still awaiting hero 3. Hero 2 came near the start of 42 just as I reached 1,000 kills.
I went via Stalingrad ruins - the Katyusha trucks and light tanks are good targets worth 3 or 4 kills if in the open in good weather. Unsurprisingly, the best scenario was Stalingrad Docks where I got 140 kills - missed one patrol boat and had a bit of snow at just the wrong time or I might have got another 20 or 30. At 13 and 14 strength, even a standard 4* He177 with no heroes can often kill a transport on a single shot, though one time I only got 9/10 despite the heroes.
The mission now is to see how close I can get to 3,000 before I run out of enthusiasm (usually at the end of 44 - I like snow but you can have too much of a good thing).

What about three heroes on Recon Rudel?

captainjack wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 6:42 am Just finished 42 with 1587 kills (so an extra 601 in 42) but still awaiting hero 3. Hero 2 came near the start of 42 just as I reached 1,000 kills.
I went via Stalingrad ruins - the Katyusha trucks and light tanks are good targets worth 3 or 4 kills if in the open in good weather. Unsurprisingly, the best scenario was Stalingrad Docks where I got 140 kills - missed one patrol boat and had a bit of snow at just the wrong time or I might have got another 20 or 30. At 13 and 14 strength, even a standard 4* He177 with no heroes can often kill a transport on a single shot, though one time I only got 9/10 despite the heroes.
The mission now is to see how close I can get to 3,000 before I run out of enthusiasm (usually at the end of 44 - I like snow but you can have too much of a good thing).

Great job, it is almost a given now that you will get 3 heroes for that unit. Only a matter of time.

PeteMitchell wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:12 am What about three heroes on Recon Rudel?

1 goal at a time

goose_2 wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 2:20 pm

PeteMitchell wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 8:12 am What about three heroes on Recon Rudel?

1 goal at a time

Yeah, I will be very impressed (don't get me wrong, I am already very impressed of the progress I am seeing from some posters in this thread) when someone produces:

1) Three heroes on a strat bomber*, 2) Three heroes on a recon* and 3) Three heroes on Recon Rudel

* In GC 39-45, not the vanilla game and not any of the other DLCs

Progress at Smolensk. Caught me completely by surprise. Obviously a very pleasant development.

Good news on the +3 attack. I suspect you will be looking forwards to scenarios with lots of rivers and trucks.

I have to admit that it's quite good fun using a strat bomber to blow things up instead of being sensible and suppressing things.

wow a very good hero