AI spam is usually a bunch of cheap stuff (BT 5 or BT7, AT guns etc).
If decent tanks appear it's usually scripted.
On the positive side, better tanks = more experience
AI Unit Spam
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captainjack
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Stephen1024
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Re: AI Unit Spam
Hi Captainjack
Normally I agree with you that it spams pointless and useless units only. For most maps that is very true.
Incase dev reads this it's not a complaint about spamming units, I like the challenge it gives me. But that said your AI hates me.
So you understand tactics I employ, I use wave tactic which is to move my group until combat, I will engage the enemy and wounded units will heal, The wounded are left behind, because of this I often can move with very fast.
Kharkov42
I deploy as 3 major groups, north centre and southern group.
Northern and southern group are made up my best units highly mobile units only, reason for this is centre is defensive position I use the river as a blocking point, if units cross the river without arty and air support, not going take much to knock them back.
Centre group is to remain defensive and keep the enemy pinned in Izyum, which is city that has river on three sides of it, almost centre of the map.
Weakness for centre group is their southern flank, which has KV-1B to help to protect it in case I missed anything , also it is the first job of southern group clear the southern flank around Kramatorsk. Southern group will spread out and head for that area with speed with air cover, once my flank is secured, then southern group may proceed with pincer movement.
Northern group must drive east and attack top corner city with speed and turn south, there can be no stopping at all. It must hit hard and fast. Northern group is main spear of attacking deep behind the enemy. Once the northern group reaches just behind Izyum it will combined assault Izyum.
The assault of Izyum centre group must attack from west and the northern sides of Izyum, southern group attacks from south and northern from east.
Key to the assault is to seriously damage AA and Arty first. Then use air power to hit any units next to rivers. The aim is not to destroy anything but to damage all and stop there attack against yours during there turn as your units will be on river hexes. AI will attempt to repair and you face only light attacks from damaged units, often this will mean no damage to your units.
Next move the aim is to surround AA and Arty and force surrender of those units or there total destruction. Then its mop up.
Kupyansk just north of Izyum was last place to fall.
Now the defensive maps like Piatek, Vitebsk, and this map the AI has good prestige on these defensive maps, if your are fast at taking those places, the AI will buy force of tanks for last place.
In Kharkov42 the last place was Kupyansk by time I had that only left I had just under half my max turns left , It was very fast and efficient. This left AI with lot prestige and he spammed me 4 KV-1A and 2 recon units. Unfortunately for me in Kharkov42 the weather turned wet just at the end of my assault on Iyzum and therefore became muddy. It didn't stop raining for next 3 turns so no air power. I was left face 4 KV1 with anything that could move enough to reach them. I had 1 88 and 1 tank destroyer StugIIIf and 1 KV-1B rest were just normal tanks. I used rolling defence to wear down all 4 KV-1, none of those that faced those KV-1 left map in good health.
As for it been scripted I don't think so but only devs can say if was, I did see those KV-1 appear around Kupyansk on AI turn as said with pair Russian recon units.
Piatek Sleszyn is last City fall which is north, eastern corner of the map. I start my attack around turn 11 and by turn 15 most are heading for Sleszyn, thats when load of tanks appear around that city.
Vitabsk Jankavicy is last place fall south, western corner of the map city surround on most sides by hills. again fast assault after short defence. AI spammed 5 KV-1 tanks and 2 recon at Jankavicy lucky no bad weather for next few turns but one my poor infantry got beat to about 2 health from nasty bunch of KV-1 I was lucky I could hold out to my turn to withdraw that unit. Only fact it had arty support that it suvived. Not much in way tanks or tank destroyers in area so had move tanks and tank destroyers ASAP. Used rolling defence and air cover from Rudel and co to keep the KV-1 at bay until I could get right force there finish them off.
Would be interesting if dev can comment about those maps and the sudden appearance of large tank force around last city. Is it scripted or was it because of defensive nature of the maps and the very fast assault I did on those maps that caused there appearance.
As stated I not complaining about these actions, for me its realistic I taken all on defensive map the AI should make last ditch attempt to hold out.
Normally I agree with you that it spams pointless and useless units only. For most maps that is very true.
Incase dev reads this it's not a complaint about spamming units, I like the challenge it gives me. But that said your AI hates me.
So you understand tactics I employ, I use wave tactic which is to move my group until combat, I will engage the enemy and wounded units will heal, The wounded are left behind, because of this I often can move with very fast.
Kharkov42
I deploy as 3 major groups, north centre and southern group.
Northern and southern group are made up my best units highly mobile units only, reason for this is centre is defensive position I use the river as a blocking point, if units cross the river without arty and air support, not going take much to knock them back.
Centre group is to remain defensive and keep the enemy pinned in Izyum, which is city that has river on three sides of it, almost centre of the map.
Weakness for centre group is their southern flank, which has KV-1B to help to protect it in case I missed anything , also it is the first job of southern group clear the southern flank around Kramatorsk. Southern group will spread out and head for that area with speed with air cover, once my flank is secured, then southern group may proceed with pincer movement.
Northern group must drive east and attack top corner city with speed and turn south, there can be no stopping at all. It must hit hard and fast. Northern group is main spear of attacking deep behind the enemy. Once the northern group reaches just behind Izyum it will combined assault Izyum.
The assault of Izyum centre group must attack from west and the northern sides of Izyum, southern group attacks from south and northern from east.
Key to the assault is to seriously damage AA and Arty first. Then use air power to hit any units next to rivers. The aim is not to destroy anything but to damage all and stop there attack against yours during there turn as your units will be on river hexes. AI will attempt to repair and you face only light attacks from damaged units, often this will mean no damage to your units.
Next move the aim is to surround AA and Arty and force surrender of those units or there total destruction. Then its mop up.
Kupyansk just north of Izyum was last place to fall.
Now the defensive maps like Piatek, Vitebsk, and this map the AI has good prestige on these defensive maps, if your are fast at taking those places, the AI will buy force of tanks for last place.
In Kharkov42 the last place was Kupyansk by time I had that only left I had just under half my max turns left , It was very fast and efficient. This left AI with lot prestige and he spammed me 4 KV-1A and 2 recon units. Unfortunately for me in Kharkov42 the weather turned wet just at the end of my assault on Iyzum and therefore became muddy. It didn't stop raining for next 3 turns so no air power. I was left face 4 KV1 with anything that could move enough to reach them. I had 1 88 and 1 tank destroyer StugIIIf and 1 KV-1B rest were just normal tanks. I used rolling defence to wear down all 4 KV-1, none of those that faced those KV-1 left map in good health.
As for it been scripted I don't think so but only devs can say if was, I did see those KV-1 appear around Kupyansk on AI turn as said with pair Russian recon units.
Piatek Sleszyn is last City fall which is north, eastern corner of the map. I start my attack around turn 11 and by turn 15 most are heading for Sleszyn, thats when load of tanks appear around that city.
Vitabsk Jankavicy is last place fall south, western corner of the map city surround on most sides by hills. again fast assault after short defence. AI spammed 5 KV-1 tanks and 2 recon at Jankavicy lucky no bad weather for next few turns but one my poor infantry got beat to about 2 health from nasty bunch of KV-1 I was lucky I could hold out to my turn to withdraw that unit. Only fact it had arty support that it suvived. Not much in way tanks or tank destroyers in area so had move tanks and tank destroyers ASAP. Used rolling defence and air cover from Rudel and co to keep the KV-1 at bay until I could get right force there finish them off.
Would be interesting if dev can comment about those maps and the sudden appearance of large tank force around last city. Is it scripted or was it because of defensive nature of the maps and the very fast assault I did on those maps that caused there appearance.
As stated I not complaining about these actions, for me its realistic I taken all on defensive map the AI should make last ditch attempt to hold out.
Re: AI Unit Spam
Yep.
At Kharkov'42 there is KV1C spam just when you thought you had won the map. This happens pretty much every time.
I think in order to place units in a city, you should controll the railway leading to that town. If you(or ai) do its all good.
At Kharkov'42 there is KV1C spam just when you thought you had won the map. This happens pretty much every time.
I think in order to place units in a city, you should controll the railway leading to that town. If you(or ai) do its all good.
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Stephen1024
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Re: AI Unit Spam
Hi TigerIII
Yeah I find it fun challenge and good experience when happens, but for first play through must be daunting. Been so long since my first play through I am panzer addict.
Tiger would your 7.5cm gun want a tow to front line by this recon unit before I get splatted by some nasty KV in hiding? They didn't even make it Russian recon I might survive in that!
Yeah I find it fun challenge and good experience when happens, but for first play through must be daunting. Been so long since my first play through I am panzer addict.
Tiger would your 7.5cm gun want a tow to front line by this recon unit before I get splatted by some nasty KV in hiding? They didn't even make it Russian recon I might survive in that!
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Stephen1024
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Re: AI Unit Spam
Belgorod I had 26 Russian BT-5 spammed in 3 cities, I not sure if AI hates me or is in love with BT-5.
Wasn't a problem 1 stuka 3 fighters and 2 Me410 hit them from the air and my tanks finished them all off for a ton easy experience.
Wasn't a problem 1 stuka 3 fighters and 2 Me410 hit them from the air and my tanks finished them all off for a ton easy experience.