T34/41 and T34/42

[GUNDOBALDO08]

Given that I love the 3d models of the tanks in PC2, I would ask the developers to differentiate a little the models of the t34 version 41 and 42 since they are now identical.
I know that they were in fact practically the same but inserting some small elements of differentiation would also improve the gameplay because on the screen to understand which version it is it would no longer be necessary to pass over the
cursor and look at the description below. For example, it would be sufficient to add fuel tanks to the rear of the T34/42.
What about it?

[Tassadar]

It would be a welcome thing, especially for later AO 1942. Seeing how the Italian M11/39 model was changed, it might not be out of the realm of possibility.

[Ezequiel1996]

i have found this image of a t34/42

[GUNDOBALDO08]

i have found this image of a t34/42

Yes, that’s it. Thanks Ezequiel

[jeannot le lapin]

I am not sure that fuel tanks are characteristic of a T-34 model :

CaptureT34.JPG (11.91 KiB) Viewed 4703 times

[GUNDOBALDO08]

I am not sure that fuel tanks are characteristic of a T-34 model :


CaptureT34.JPG

I’re right, but here we are Tallinn about a distinctive detail for make different 3d model of t34/41 and t34/42. So file tanks are a good idea

[GUNDOBALDO08]

I am not sure that fuel tanks are characteristic of a T-34 model :


CaptureT34.JPG

I’re right, but here we are Tallinn about a distinctive detail for make different 3d model of t34/41 and t34/42. So file tanks are a good idea

Talking about... not Tallinn... fuck corrector!

[jeannot le lapin]

I am not against using fuel tanks to distinguish the different models of T-34 in the game although apparently fuel tanks do not seem to be a distinctive sign between the models historically.

[GUNDOBALDO08]

If I'm not mistaken the '40, '41 and '42 versions also use an identical model for the KV1. I would therefore propose to insert small details to distinguish them. In particular the '42 model was the KV1s for which the shape of the much more rounded turret significantly changed.

[Vorskl]

While I like the idea, the problem is that T-34 was produced by 6 plants that used parts produced by various suppliers, so it's an easy task to distinguish the models/modifications as there are dozens of them. The clearly distinguished models are those by Stalingrad Tractor Plant (second from above) - due to lack of rubber they had full-metal wheels

[wecker]

Great pictures Vorskl about the various T34-variations.

From what book is the illustration?

Would you mind to post also pictures of KV1, KV85, IS and IS2?

[Tassadar]

Great pictures Vorskl about the various T34-variations.

From what book is the illustration?

Would you mind to post also pictures of KV1, KV85, IS and IS2?

Seconded, I am also really curious about the source, as these accurate production figures are something I look for in my AARs and would be a great source of info for the potential future!

[Vorskl]

Here are KV 1941 modifications
The source is a series of books called "ФРОНТОВАЯ ИЛЛЮСТРАЦИЯ" issued in 2000-2009 with a very tiny print
http://militarylib.com/magazines/front- ... grade.html

[Vorskl]

By month / by plant production of T-34 in 1941- 1945, a web page so should be translatable into english
http://tankfront.ru/ussr/industry/sp_t-34.html

KV
http://tankfront.ru/ussr/industry/sp_kv.html

IS
http://tankfront.ru/ussr/industry/sp_is.html

Light tanks
http://tankfront.ru/ussr/industry/sp_t- ... _t-70.html

PzIV
http://tankfront.ru/deutschland/industry/sp_pz_iv.html

Panther
http://tankfront.ru/deutschland/industr ... nther.html

Tiger
http://tankfront.ru/deutschland/industry/sp_tiger.html

[Vorskl]

Tanks count in Red Army

[wecker]

Thank you Vorskl,

this is great information - спасибо.

[Scrapulous]

This is my favorite thread now and I regret the lack of bbcode emoji that shows hearts. I love the detailed illustrations, the production figures, the small variations. I never knew that T-34s varied so much by factory, but of course it makes perfect sense. I even like trying to puzzle out the names of the factories by mapping my knowledge of the Greek alphabet to Cyrillic. Charhkov (Kharkov, I assume), Stalingrad (Vorskl made this one easy), Zavod #183, Zavod #112, Zavod #174-Omsk, Zavod Uralskiy, Chelyabinsk. Zavod must mean factory, plant, or something similar. I would have guessed higher numbers from Chelyabinsk than this, but Zavod #183 far surpasses it. Maybe a matter of specialization. T-34s weren't the only tank around.

Speaking of which... look at the massive track array on those KVs!!

Edit: a crude way to get to Gundobaldo08's request by using Vorksl's figures is to choose a model based on how many from that factory were produced each year.

1940: the Kharkov model is the obvious winner here.
1941: Kharkov is taken, so the next best is the Stalingrad version.
1942: Zavod 183 would win, but we'll need it for next year, so use Zavod 112
1943: Zavod 183 is the clear choice
1944: Super Plant Zavod 183 would win here but we used it already. Zavod 174 comes to the rescue.

It's not a perfect solution, since it breaks the notion of models "progressing" as the war goes on. But I think Vorskl's book shows very clearly that this idea of progress is only partially accurate. The T-34, exceptional in so many ways, shows that models didn't simply progress in a linear fashion from one to another, or from less sophisticated to more sophisticated, but changed according to available supplies and regional infrastructure.

What a cool resource. Thanks again for sharing, Vorskl.

Edit 2: My proposals assume that the discrepancy in the Chelyabinsk table is a typo instead of actually having the production years out of sequence (in other words, that Chelyabinsk made 1,055 T-34s in 1942, and 3,594 in 1943. If the years are indeed out of order and 3,594 were actually made in 1942, then Chelyabinsk beats Zavod 112 in 1942 and the Chelyabinsk diagram should be the basis for the T-34 '42 model.

[wecker]

For those who cannot read russian I will try a translation for the T-34 pictures (starting from top to bottom):

- Charkov Steamtrainfactory No. 183 named Komintern
- Stalingrad Tractor factory
- Factory No. 183 Nizhnyi Tagil (evacuated from Charkov in fall of 1941)
- Factory No. 112 "Red Sormovo" in Gorki (now Nizhnyi Novgorod)
- Chelyabinsk Kirov Factory (ChKZ) Chelyabinsk
- Factory No. 174, Omsk (evacuated from Leningrad in fall of 1941)
- Ural Factory for heavy machinebuilding (UZTM), Sverdlovsk (now Yekaterinburg)

Best wishes

[Vorskl]

KV family production numbers by Chelyabinsk Kirov Plant
KB-8 and KB-8C are flamethrowing tanks
** and *** indicates that some of these tanks received gasoline engines M-17


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Regarding T-34 production numbers - I am 99.9% sure there is a typo in a book - I cannot imagine that the plant (Zavod) would be allowed to decrease production in 1942 just to ramp it up in 1943 - no way

[Vorskl]

KV-2 production numbers, monthly Jan to Dec
Only produced by Leningrad Kirov Plant