Anthony and Cleopatra - Later Ptomlemaic

[Blathergut]

Am I the only soul that actually enjoys running POOR pikes and POOR roman heavies?

[Irmin]

Am I the only soul that actually enjoys running POOR pikes and POOR roman heavies?

Well I wanted to go as late as possible with the Ptolemaic list that means no phalangites. What is your list like?

[Blathergut]

i'll post one tonight once home

[madcam2us]

I'd go xyston but again get the whole army. Use principate roman triari with the feathers cut off at thorakitai.

You also realy need to replace the shield with a thyreos otherwise all you have is triarii sans creasts - the Roman scutum being different to the Greek thyreos

Can you recommend an adequate figure? What is the main difference between the two? Have any pictures to share?

Madcam.

[madcam2us]

Xystron has the following:

Scutum

http://www.xyston.com/acatalog/info_ANC_20187_SSA.html

Thueros:

http://www.xyston.com/acatalog/info_ANC_20154_SSA.html

Would one be better than the other?

Madcam

[madcam2us]

Tin Soldier?

If you get tin soldioer make sure its the whole army as they dont mix with anything. And look like smurfs.

I'd go xyston but again get the whole army. Use principate roman triari with the feathers cut off at thorakitai.

Looking at xyston, their romans are Polybian area... What would you use for the Legionaires?

Madcam

[madcam2us]

What about these for the Thorakitai's from OG doing the same thing with the helmet crests?

http://oldglory15s.com/catalog/product_ ... &w=80&h=43

This way you can use their MRR range for the legionaires

Though, these are a bit on the rough side....

Madcam.

[nikgaukroger]

Xystron has the following:

Scutum

http://www.xyston.com/acatalog/info_ANC_20187_SSA.html

Thueros:

http://www.xyston.com/acatalog/info_ANC_20154_SSA.html

Would one be better than the other?

Madcam

Oddly the thyreos is better for the Thorakitai - who are just armoured Thyreophoroi after all

[DaiSho]

Now all i need is to find the best figures to make the list.

Xyston.

Don't go Tin Soldier. I have Tin Soldier Hoplites, and they are nice figures, but you're extremely restricted in what mixes with them. Pretty much only Tin Soldier mix with Tin Soldier.

Ian

[marioslaz]

There is a guy in my club who is playing this army with a lot of Poor Pikes, I think 4 Bgs of 8 poor pikes and 2 more Bgs of 8 average pikes.

Poor grade it´s not a problem for him, if he must to re-roll all the 6s, he can roll a 6s again, it´s incredible. Two weeks ago, he takes a cohesion test with -4, he roll 6 and 6, he re-roll, both dices, and get a 5 and a 6, amazing





Cheers

David

I found my Nemesis! In a game I had a wonderful BG of superior Cav. I needed a CT and I rolled a double 1. I feel faint, but I remembered they were superior, so with a sarcastic smile I looked my opponent with boldness and I said "My troops are superior, so I re-roll both dice". I got 1 and 2

[madaxeman]

I'd go xyston but again get the whole army. Use principate roman triari with the feathers cut off at thorakitai.

You also realy need to replace the shield with a thyreos otherwise all you have is triarii sans creasts - the Roman scutum being different to the Greek thyreos

Can you recommend an adequate figure? What is the main difference between the two? Have any pictures to share?

Madcam.

These are the Xyston Greek Theurophoroi

http://www.madaxeman.com/15mm/displayim ... ?pos=-1697

tim

[mbsparta]

Not to rain on your Antony and Cleo party, but Antony wouldn't have been caught dead commanding that army when he had legions of Romans to command. My take is Antony supplied the legions and ships, Cleo supplied the cash to pay them.

Mike B

[Irmin]

Not to rain on your Antony and Cleo party, but Antony wouldn't have been caught dead commanding that army when he had legions of Romans to command. My take is Antony supplied the legions and ships, Cleo supplied the cash to pay them.

Mike B

Other than maybe the battle of Alexandria in 30BC he probably didn't, but then I didn't say Mark Anthony was commanding just that it was an army from that period

But then replaying the battle of Alexandria would be a good excuse for my troops all running away, as they surely will if I'm leading them

[Irmin]

Current list stands at

TC
TC
TC
TC
2 BGs of Xystophorai - 4 Cv, Arm, Sup, Drilled, Lancers, Swordsmen
1 BG of Light Cavalry - 4 LH, Unp, Ave, Drilled, Javelins, L.Spear
1 BG of Galatian Cavalry - 4 Cv, Arm, Sup, Undrilled, L.Spear, Swordsmen
2 BG of Thorakatoi / Theurophoroi - 6 MF, Arm, Ave, Drilled, Off Spear
1 BG of Cretan Archers - 6 LF, Unp, Superior, Drilled, Bow
3 BG of Anthony's legionaries - 4 HF, Arm, Sup, Drilled, Imp Ft, Skilled Swordsmen
1 BG of Thracians - 6 MF, Prot, Ave, Undrilled, Heavy Weapon
1 BG of Ptolemaic javelinmen - 6 LF, Unprot, Ave, Undrilled, Javelins, Light Spear
1 BG of Ptolemaic Archers - 6 LF, Unp, Ave, Drilled, Bow
1 BG of Ptolemaic Slingers - 4 LF, Unp, Ave, Drilled, Sling

792pts

I've been looking at figures and the Donnington range looks OK for the Ptolemaic units, what would you use as the galatian cavalry and the legionaries?

[Aetius]

Ancient & Modern (Donnington as was) do a very nice later Ptolemaic 15mm range based on the figures out of the Secunda Montvert book.
These would be ideal for the Caesarian Alexandrian Wars Romanized Ptolemaic armies with no pikes and all the close combat infantry as Imitation Legionary types. There are 2 versions of the legionaries in mail with the 'firemen' type plumed helmets, a couple of nice peltast types (one armoured & one unarmoured) and a 'neo-cretan' type skirmishers with the round pelta shield. There are 3 cavalry - a later 'tarantine' type LH with the small square, bossed shield, wearing a cloak: an earlier (IMO) Cleruch heavy cavalryman in a hellenistic musled breastplate with lance and a 'native' (probably with Libyan style hair) cavalryman in a mail shirt with short spear. You could use some of the standard Donnington Later Republican Legionaries mixed into one BG to represent the ex-Galbbian expedition deserters. I also use the Donnington Negro archers - in short kilt (I think they are from their Crusader range) as Meroitic LF archers (not totally correct but a colourful possibility).
There is a very interesting figure in the range (again taken from the Secunda book) of an infantryman in mail shirt, with a short sword (drawn), a cut down round top roman scutumn and the same 'libyan' style hair as the cavalry. I had though about using it to represent some of the locally recruited north africa legionaries used in Spain. Having said all that I'm not 100% sure that Secunda's interpretation of this as being an infantryman is correct, he shows clear indications of possibly being a gladiator (as he appears to have an elaborate armoured collar) - but no doubt somebody will come up with a good use for him!

It's not the worlds most exciting army but the figures look luvvely painted up en-masse, especially as you can probably justify Egyptian hieroglyphs on your standards.

Cheers

Mark