Modern Warfare Corps?

[KornelPL]

Hi Friends,

My name is Kornel and I come from Poland. I play SSI style games since I was 12. I played Panzer General, Allied General, PG2, Open General, People's General, PG 3D, PGIII Scorched Earth. I made a lot of scenarios, some campaigns and equipment files as well.

I am also military proffesionalist - I work in HSW company, the main artillery manufacturer for Polish Armed Forces :


I think that together with my friend we have interesting offer for Panzer Corps makers. I have a very big experience in making equipment files for PG2 and People's General games - as you know their rules are very similar to Panzer Corps. We can offer our FREE cooperation in potential modern warfer game based on PzC. I have ready equipment files for cold war times (about 80s) and modern warfare including all the weapon systems that are in service with all the armies around the world. Meanwhile my friend is involved in icons making - you can see examples within attachements. He has practically all 3D models of modern equipment.

Looking forward to hearing from you soon.

Kornel.

[uzbek2012]

It would be nice to see a modern war in the Panzer Corps engine ) This modern General

http://www.pegww2.net/Pages/install.htm

[Micha63]

Hello Kornell PL, the units looking great.

[sn0wball]

I think the main problem with Cold-War-Era units is what to do with them. What kind of campaign can accommodate them ? Thankfully, the real timeline didn´t see much tank warfare of the kind that the Panzer Corps engine depicts so fine. People´s General was a near-future scenario, wasn´t it ? I could see a Cold-War-Turned-Hot campaign, with Panzer warfare all over Europe in the 80ies, but I don´t think there is much market for that.

[BiteNibbleChomp]

Possibly Korea or Vietnam could be done, but the OOB engine would work better for the latter (guerrillas, efficiency etc).

Desert Storm was too short to warrant a campaign.

Most WW3 scenarios I see in games occur 1945-8, which isn't really a case where Leopard 2s, Abrams and T72s would clash.

- BNC

[Micha63]

By the way, on my website

www.peoplesgeneral.de

you can find Cold war conflicts like Afganistan, Vietnam, Falkland and more. If anyone should be interested to convert it to Panzercorps it would be a honor for me. Vietnam is maybe interesting. The game will be finished in some weeks and will have finally near 80 scenarios. I wont do the conversion because i stopt playing Panzercorps for personally reasons.

[BiteNibbleChomp]

That's a lot of mods!

- BNC

[Micha63]

That's a lot of mods!

- BNC

Yes, manny years of work. If you or anyone else want to convert a mod to panzercorps you can count on my help. But i cant do the conversion itself.

[Farre]

Whaou that looks great KornelPL!!
i am waiting with happiness to se a mod with modern equipment!!!

[simcc]

I will be happy to see a modern version of people's general. Campaign can be totally fictional I dun mind that. Love to see some modern gear on PzC game engine or OOB game engine, best is to combine both engine and do a fictional modern war campaign.

[KornelPL]

Hello comrades,

I am back. Sorry for such long period of awaiting, but my wide was very ill. Fortunately she is ok now and I can take care about less serious issues. I would like to restore this topic/ subject. First of all thank you for your interest.

Personally, I don't doubt that this will not be quite popular mod. For me this is very weard that there is so much fans of modern military stuff but there is no so many games that will be about this. Historical material for scenarios/ campaigns is not a problem at all - we have many already done campaigns and scenarios for People's General and its mods as well as many hypothetical conflicts around the world (India vs Pakistan, China vs Vietnam/ Japan, Russia vs Ukraine etc.). I made myself a lot of scenarios about russian troops in Chechnya, about american war against Iran and so on. And even First Gulf War I don't consider as too short for campaign and Second War on 2003 can be even more interesting (conquer of Baghdad, Assault on Basra).

What I can offer right now ? Complete Equipment files (without false modesty I think these are the most reallistic eqip files for PeG) for conflicts in Europe, Asia and Middle East with more than 3000 units - including modern tanks from late cold war era (80s) artillery pieces, air defence systems like russian S-300 etc - generally EVERYTHING what you can find in service with armies worldwide. Moreover I can offer hundreds of unit sounds - moving, firing/ launching/, unit's death and my scenarios and campaigns to convert. Potential partner I can provide also with drawings and models that served as base for s16 icons for PeG.

At this moment I think the best platform for such modern warfare mod should be PzC not OOB. However I see some issues in game mechanics that should be amended (if possible) For exaple support fire should be given not onfly for unit that is attached to the artillery, but should be done AGAINST all enemy units that are within its range of fire - as it is in PG2 and PeG. Counterbattery fire would be also nice to see.

Anyway I am looking for hearing from you soon. I hope there is place for cooperation.

[KeldorKatarn]

Well, slitherine would have to decide whether they think there is a market for this, or whether this could only remain a mod. I agree that a cold war era might be possible. And a campaign COULD be made up. I mean the warsaw pact and nato DID have campaigns planned for the case of a hot war. they just never happened but they always had ideas how to do it. And those are public now from what I know. If they could be accessed one might be able to make a 60s or 80s campaign with them... trouble is, this wouldn't just be a simple addon. This would make it necessary to get all the unit graphics, MASSIVELY extend the equipment file since no unit is reusable etc. That would mean a big investment that needs to pay off. The DLCs and other campaigns only needed the maps, most graphics and already balanced units could be reused. This would basically mean starting from scratch... I mean I don't doubt the engine could support this stuff. Attack helicopters could be the modern stukas etc etc, but again.. it's a ton of work for graphics and balancing.

[hs1611]

KornelPL

Check this thread. You may like it.

http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtop ... 47&t=72062

[KornelPL]

MASSIVELY extend the equipment file since no unit is reusable etc. That would mean a big investment that needs to pay off. The DLCs and other campaigns only needed the maps, most graphics and already balanced units could be reused. This would basically mean starting from scratch... I mean I don't doubt the engine could support this stuff. Attack helicopters could be the modern stukas etc etc, but again.. it's a ton of work for graphics and balancing.

Hello,
Firstly I would like to knwo what doeas it mean that units are unreusable? In other equipment files from SSI (PG2, PeG) with suitable editor (mostly made by great guy Luis Guzman) each units can be modified. Anywawy even if EACH younits must be "written" manually I can do that - and I don't expect any consideration. Those equipments from PeG that I use are proven and balanced so the "only" thing to do is to create graphics and make equipment file - as I said I can take care about units characteristics. PeG has only two differences - there is no initiative value and there is profile value. By the way - what kind of sofware is used to edit/ create equipment file in PzC?

I don't know what future will bring. I am looking for serious partner to do this - no matter it will be mod or new game/ addon. If PzC producers are willing to cooperate - I am open to cooperate, to issue all my materials and even to make such equipment - as I said before I don 't expect to get some money for this. Can do this for free because my dream is to have such game but I have no knowledge about modeling - therefore I am looking for necessary support.

[KornelPL]

KornelPL

Check this thread. You may like it.

http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtop ... 47&t=72062

Thank you so much fot thins link. I will try to contact Akkula right now

[BiteNibbleChomp]

By the way - what kind of sofware is used to edit/ create equipment file in PzC?

Excel and Notepad both work. Just be careful not to save it as a xls or txt file - neither of these will be read by the game.

- BNC

[HalfLifeExpert]

Well, slitherine would have to decide whether they think there is a market for this, or whether this could only remain a mod. I agree that a cold war era might be possible. And a campaign COULD be made up. I mean the warsaw pact and nato DID have campaigns planned for the case of a hot war. they just never happened but they always had ideas how to do it. And those are public now from what I know. If they could be accessed one might be able to make a 60s or 80s campaign with them... trouble is, this wouldn't just be a simple addon. This would make it necessary to get all the unit graphics, MASSIVELY extend the equipment file since no unit is reusable etc. That would mean a big investment that needs to pay off. The DLCs and other campaigns only needed the maps, most graphics and already balanced units could be reused. This would basically mean starting from scratch... I mean I don't doubt the engine could support this stuff. Attack helicopters could be the modern stukas etc etc, but again.. it's a ton of work for graphics and balancing.

I think there would be a market, I don't know how big, but a market nonetheless. I have considered Flashpoint Campaigns: Red Storm for some time, but I feel it may be a bit too complex for my tastes in hex based wargames. Doing a NATO/Warsaw Pact PzC game could attract people who like the era, but want an easier/more casual experience than some of the more advances titles like Flashpoint campaigns.

I absolutely love the Cold War era, particularly the scenarios of clashes between NATO and Warsaw Pact, and would love to have a Cold War (NOT present day modern; I mean no later than 1990-91) variant of Panzer Corps, perhaps it could be titled "NATO Corps". This I think would be a good way forward for Panzer Corps. The Pacific War is not being done from what I understand, due to OOB, and the only real thing left they could do I think would be a Soviet GC, or a grand campaign of what I call "The Unthinkable War": Western Allies vs USSR right after the defeat of Germany.

I am in no rush for a "Panzer Corps II", frankly I have not desire for it, as the game stands perfectly great as it is now, and I will enjoy it for years to come, that's why I would like to see a "NATO Corps" of clashes between NATO and Warsaw Pact. It would have to be a standalone game, a de facto "Panzer Corps II", but not a direct sequel in the sense that PG 2 was the sequel to PG 1.

I'm not sure when during the Cold War would be best, depends on whether they would implement tactical nuclear weapons. If Yes on Nukes, than 1950s and 1960s would work, if not, then better stick to the last 15 years or so of the Cold War, late 70s through the fall of the Iron Curtain and the collapse of the USSR.

In terms of possible conflicts, well if they go with early Cold War, maybe they could do a situation where the Cuban Missile Crisis or the Berlin Crisis of 1961 escalate to war. For late Cold War, some possibilities exist from the real world, the Able Archer war scare in 1983 for instance, also a possible escalation of the Yom Kippur War in 1973. There is also plenty of ripe ground to create a situation where war breaks out.

This also allows possibilities for a wider variety of geographic locations for potential DLC than PzC. Along with Central Europe, The Korean Peninsula, the Middle East, Arctic (Northern Norway), Africa, South Asia, and the Carribean and more all could have seen fighting break out if the Cold War had turned a real hot war. It would be interesting to toy around with an invasion of Cuba in this type of game..........

[HalfLifeExpert]

sorry, accidental double post

[bgnot2]

Based on what I've just read I see;
1. The "Unthinkable War" post 1945 is possible and would work, sounds like this guy has things to offer.
2. A "Modern War" is possible but might offer more opportunity.

All those wars are interesting; Korea, Vietnam, Middle East all of which bring us up to Now!

Imagine: a modern war that was Panzer Corps with USA, China, Russia and all their satellites.

It would be DLC 4.99 forever.

Make it 2016-2020 and you have your marching orders.

DLC based on changing geopolitical developments makes it current and topical.

A South China Sea DLC for example out now, 4.99$.

Philippians, Taiwan, Australia , etc and you carry your core forward!
It's Heart of Iron meets Panzer General.

Catch phrase is, "Play the world as you see it".

Amusingly as people play out the modern day "South China Sea DLC" they can see it in math, gaming, and discuss it on forums.

No need to reinvent the wheel it's here, it's round and it rolls.

Roll it.

Imagine a website a gaming forum playing out modern day conflicts day to day and discussing the conflicts and outcomes.
That's how I would sell it.

[BiteNibbleChomp]

Contempory wars are best avoided - we wouldn't want to accidentally set off political trouble. Knowing that China has an already strict set of laws for gaming (banning Hearts of Iron series because China is depicted as many countries, which is historically accurate), who knows what that could lead to if there was a South China Sea war game released days after (or before) a real-life event.

Anything up to Desert Storm is perfectly fine, maybe even the Second Gulf War. Stay away from more modern stuff until the dust has had time to settle.

- BNC