REFUND?

[rich12545]

Distant Worlds manual:
http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam ... 1432806484

You're giving a steam link and rolling your eyes? What if he doesn't use steam? The manual should be readily available in a game folder without having to search the internet for it.

The manual was/is in a folder named Manuals like usually happens with our games.
We didn't release Distant Worlds Universe without a manual. I'm sorry that he missed it.

Then I'm confused. Why didn't you tell him this instead of (or in addition to) giving him a steam link and rolling your eyes?

[Ranger33]

I think maybe OP just needs to take one more spin through the tutorials. Moving and shooting seem pretty obvious, you just drag the pieces where you want them to go (possible destinations are highlighted), drag the weapon icon you want to use onto the viable target (which are clearly highlighted), roll the dice. All the dice roll modifiers are shown on the little screen on the right, with the totals in the middle, below the die you see what you need to roll to hit. The tutorial covers all of this step by step.

Also, not sure how anyone can complain about lack of manuals with Matrix/Slitherine games. The pre-game launcher menu always includes a link to the manual(s), plus forums, the automated patcher, and other useful stuff. It's more than most games offer, and it's standard practice here, which is pretty cool.

[Igorputski]

What's really needed is demos. It would be easy for devs to install a time limit into the completed product. Like three days. During that time prospective buyers can decide if it's for them or not.

Problem is imo most of their money is made from impulse buyers. Ooooo, that looks good! Here's my money!

If you know how to work it and buy on steam you kinda do get a demo, but, a demo of the whole game not just a portion. I've gotten refunds on about 7 games now since steam started this refund policy. I test the game out, don't play over 2 hours and make sure I return it within 15 days. One game Dead Island they let me go beyond the time limit because i had only played it like 18 min to know I didn't like it. The price was right but the game was terrible.

So, buy on steam and demo the full game and if you don't like it within 2 hours ask for a refund, they don't ask me any questions and a few days later the money is back in my steam wallet.

NOTE: You don't get cash back you get steam wallet money which is just like cash but you have to spend it at steam. I can deal with that since I buy a lot of games on steam. Wish I could get a refund for all those I hated and never played. But, most I got for $4 to $5 so no biggie. But, this one would have taken all my steam dollars. Glad I got it back.

[BiteNibbleChomp]

Now I'm finding out there are only 4-8 turns to a map. Whether true or not, this makes me think the game is too simple. I'm still gonna pass on this one. What's really needed is a demo.

It's based off a board game, not a Gary Grigsby title. But each turn is more than an instant - if we assume that each unit making an action counts as a turn, and takes a minute, on an 8 turn map with 4 units, the battle will last 30-60 minutes. Most maps have more than 4 units, so you get decent playtime out of it.

It's also quite cheap for a quality wargame, so I think you might be missing out if you avoid it. But you are free to have your own opinion

- BNC

[Dorb]

Maybe check out the board game manual for HoN, I'm sure it will help. You have to create a log in to down load.
http://www.devil-pig-games.com/en/downl ... rulebooks/

Plus there are some game tools you can down load and have printed off too.

[rich12545]

@igorputski
For some reason I've never liked steam but now I think I'll take a longer look. Two hours is more than enough time to determine if I'd like a game. Money going back into a steam account would be fine. Thanks for the info.

@bitnibblechomp
So now I'm learning that each turn lasts 30-60 plus minutes rather than about 15 minutes from another poster. If you are correct then the game absolutely needs a save feature.

[Tac2i]

The game saves your progress between missions. There is no "in middle of mission" save feature. As someone else stated missions don't take very long to play.

The game has no save function? You're kidding, right?

[bssybeep]

I can't figure out the mechanics of this game. They just don't make any sense to me. Yes I read the manual last night. And played the tutorial but I can't figure out how to shoot and move or what any of the numbers mean. Too complicated. Numbers everywhere but I don't see any correlation to dice rolls.

Hell, I didn't even see how to save or exit the game. I had to use task manager to get out of it.

Just a simple yes or no please, Can I get a refund or is this just another software purchase I have to eat.

Maybe you need to play the tutorial again, it's not that difficult a game to figure out. Also as stated above, your campaign progress is automatically saved.

[rich12545]

I took a look at the steam refund policy as described above. With this, I will start liking steam and will make all my purchases there. If it doesn't work on my computer or I don't like it or whatever, I'll just get a refund and look for something that would suit me better. No more games that just sit on my backup disk collecting virtual dust. Here is the refund policy if anyone is interested.

You can request a refund for nearly any purchase on Steam—for any reason. Maybe your PC doesn't meet the hardware requirements; maybe you bought a game by mistake; maybe you played the title for an hour and just didn't like it.

It doesn't matter. Valve will, upon request via help.steampowered.com, issue a refund for any reason, if the request is made within fourteen days of purchase, and the title has been played for less than two hours. There are more details below, but even if you fall outside of the refund rules we’ve described, you can ask for a refund anyway and we’ll take a look.

You will be issued a full refund of your purchase within a week of approval. You will receive the refund in Steam Wallet funds or through the same payment method you used to make the purchase. If, for any reason, Steam is unable to issue a refund via your initial payment method, your Steam Wallet will be credited the full amount.

[BiteNibbleChomp]

@bitnibblechomp
So now I'm learning that each turn lasts 30-60 plus minutes rather than about 15 minutes from another poster. If you are correct then the game absolutely needs a save feature.

I said 8-turn maps are 30-60. Most maps aren't 8, but 4 or 6.

But unless someone wants to play 1000 missions and record the exact amount of time each one took and then average it, we will never know for sure.

- BNC

[Igorputski]

@igorputski
For some reason I've never liked steam but now I think I'll take a longer look. Two hours is more than enough time to determine if I'd like a game. Money going back into a steam account would be fine. Thanks for the info.

@bitnibblechomp
So now I'm learning that each turn lasts 30-60 plus minutes rather than about 15 minutes from another poster. If you are correct then the game absolutely needs a save feature.

Believe me it doesn't last that long. Die rolls 1's and 2's so the turns are over pretty quick. But, I agree it still should have a save feature cause not all of us can sit at a computer 24/7 and have other family things to do in a pinch.

[Igorputski]

@igorputski
For some reason I've never liked steam but now I think I'll take a longer look. Two hours is more than enough time to determine if I'd like a game. Money going back into a steam account would be fine. Thanks for the info.

@bitnibblechomp
So now I'm learning that each turn lasts 30-60 plus minutes rather than about 15 minutes from another poster. If you are correct then the game absolutely needs a save feature.

Same here about Steam, but, I'm liking it now. No more wasted money on crappy AI cheating games or other things I don't like. I get a full game to demo and if I don't like it within 2 hours poof it's gone and I got my money back for the next game.

Just remember there are some games not on the refund policy, mostly MMO's, so be sure and check before you buy to make sure you can get a refund.

[rich12545]

I'm not going to buy without a save feature so I'm done here for now. If and when it's ever included, I'll take another look. I'm writing this post mostly for the devs and hope they understand how important it is to save a game in the middle of a battle (even a fairly short one) for some people who won't purchase without it.

[IronFist00]

I'm not going to buy without a save feature so I'm done here for now. If and when it's ever included, I'll take another look. I'm writing this post mostly for the devs and hope they understand how important it is to save a game in the middle of a battle (even a fairly short one) for some people who won't purchase without it.

If you are in the middle of a mission, say Turn 3 and just quit out. When you go back in, choose to play the same mission you were playing and now there is an extra button that offers "Continue Mission" on top of "Restart Mission" which is in red. If you choose to continue it places you exactly where you exited out.

While there is no manual save, every turn/phase/Order is saved automatically. FYI.

[Jaedrian]

I'm not going to buy without a save feature so I'm done here for now. If and when it's ever included, I'll take another look. I'm writing this post mostly for the devs and hope they understand how important it is to save a game in the middle of a battle (even a fairly short one) for some people who won't purchase without it.

If you are in the middle of a mission, say Turn 3 and just quit out. When you go back in, choose to play the same mission you were playing and now there is an extra button that offers "Continue Mission" on top of "Restart Mission" which is in red. If you choose to continue it places you exactly where you exited out.

While there is no manual save, every turn/phase/Order is saved automatically. FYI.

That's great to know. I checked the rule book and didn't see it mentioned. If it is, I apologize for not seeing it. Could someone post a page number if it is listed. If it isn't, may want to add that tidbit of information.

[grab]

Money poorly spent buying this one. There seems to be no correlation between die roles and combat results, the enemy seem to be able to detect hidden units with ease and I have to disconnect all of my flight sim controls to be able to run the game. Heroes of Stalingrad is a far better purchase than this poorly conceived game.

[twilightling]

Money poorly spent buying this one. There seems to be no correlation between die roles and combat results, the enemy seem to be able to detect hidden units with ease and I have to disconnect all of my flight sim controls to be able to run the game. Heroes of Stalingrad is a far better purchase than this poorly conceived game.

The flight sim controls sounds bad, but for the other two you are wrong:
There is a clear relation between dice and combat.
The "hidden" units are actually "invulnerable" rather than hidden from sight.
Whether the two above are your soup or not is up to you:)

[Dorb]

I disagree, I think $20 was well spent with this game. - Now the meal I had the other night was waste of $17, now that was money was a bad deal.

[Igorputski]

I disagree, I think $20 was well spent with this game. - Now the meal I had the other night was waste of $17, now that was money was a bad deal.

A McDonalds hamburger plain and french fries and a drink is a better purchase than this game.

[BiteNibbleChomp]

I disagree, I think $20 was well spent with this game. - Now the meal I had the other night was waste of $17, now that was money was a bad deal.

A McDonalds hamburger plain and french fries and a drink is a better purchase than this game.

A meal will last 30 minutes. A game can last for 30 years.

- BNC