Amendment - Blocked Retirements

[BrettPT]

It being a while since the last amendments, I thought I would make a few posts on amendments that I believe are required. Many of these have been posted on before, however I thought I would bring them to Terry's attention again for an updated comment.

Terry has provided the criteria for an amendment as being:

1. To fix a problem that 'breaks' the rules;
2. That is simple' and
3. That offers enough improvment to justify its inclusion.

With these criteria firmly in mind, I start with retirements and obstructions.

1. Problem
There is a contradiction on pages 64 and 65 regarding when a retirement is blocked. On page 64, you stop 1MU short of blocking troops, terrain or the table edge. However on page 65, a 'unit that reaches the table edge must stop'. I also note that enemy artillery and skirmishers do not block a retirement - and when burst through they do not have to take a CT (page 64).

2. Simple Fix
- Delete the words "the table edge" from the bottom left hand paragraph on page 64.
- Amend 2nd bullet point on "Table Edges", page 65 by changing the first sentance to "If a retiring unit ..."
- Delete the word "friendly" wherever it appears on page 64 in the "Bursting through Friends" section.

3. Improvement
This would resolve arguements when a retiring unit would go off table, and a pursuing unit would reach it if it stopped 1MU short, but not if it stopped at the table edge. It would also avoid a seemingly silly situation where enemy artillery and skirmishers don't mind being ridden over by retiring enemy.

[Blathergut]

There were some other points that were to have gone into amendments/errata. I'll see if I can find the time to search back for them (but am cruising the Med for 2 weeks starting Thursday!). Never did hear back from Terry about whether the previously mentioned errata was/will be published.

[Blathergut]

Ah...one was divisional requirements.

[terrys]

1. Problem
There is a contradiction on pages 64 and 65 regarding when a retirement is blocked. On page 64, you stop 1MU short of blocking troops, terrain or the table edge. However on page 65, a 'unit that reaches the table edge must stop'. I also note that enemy artillery and skirmishers do not block a retirement - and when burst through they do not have to take a CT (page 64).

I should clarify the requirements for taking a test when a firend passes through.
1) A unit bursting through another friendly unit causes the unit burst through to take a test. This can only happen during either an evade move or an impetuous charge move. Artillery and infantry in skirmish formation do not have to test when an impetuous unit bursts through them - but will take a test when a unit evades through them (an evade is an outcome move).
2) ALL units passed through by another friendly unit which retires as part of an OUTCOME MOVE must take a cohesion test (even artillery and skirmishers).
3) A unit retiring to 3MU from shooting is NOT making an outcome move, so does not cause a test on artillery and skirmishing infantry - it does cause a test on others.
4) A routing unit moving in the players own movement phase NEVER passes through another unit - even artillery and skirmishers. It moves as far as possible and halts.

[hazelbark]

4) A routing unit moving in the players own movement phase NEVER passes through another unit - even artillery and skirmishers. It moves as far as possible and halts.

I would emphasize when you list that "own movement phase" bit. I had to re-read to realize it was subtle point and not all routs. Yes reading carefully the first time could have helped but that takes energy.

[Blathergut]

3) A unit retiring to 3MU from shooting is NOT making an outcome move, so does not cause a test on artillery and skirmishing infantry - it does cause a test on others.

Does this mean that the unit can make a normal move in the movement phase provided it didn't charge?

[terrys]

3) A unit retiring to 3MU from shooting is NOT making an outcome move, so does not cause a test on artillery and skirmishing infantry - it does cause a test on others.

Does this mean that the unit can make a normal move in the movement phase provided it didn't charge?

Yes - However, it must pass a CMT to advance again.

[BrettPT]

Hi Terry

Just jumping back to the issue at the start of this thread, can you please clarify whether the intention is for a retiring unit to stop:

a) 1MU short of the table edge; or
b) at the table edge?

Thanks
Brett

[terrys]

Just jumping back to the issue at the start of this thread, can you please clarify whether the intention is for a retiring unit to stop:

a) 1MU short of the table edge; or
b) at the table edge?

Definately (b).
I guess we should delete "the table edge" from the bottom paragraph on page 64, since table edges are covered by their own section on page 65.