Aeolians

xenophonos · Post by **xenophonos** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:01 am

What is the benefit of being the Aeolians?

They get the same Cavalry units, the same Light Infantry, the same Skirmishers as the other Greek Ethnic Groups, but the best Heavy Infantry units they get are regular Hoplites.

Why were they made weaker...is there a trade off?

joseph_kerr · Post by **joseph_kerr** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:19 am

I was wondering about that myself a while ago since you can't recruit Thureophoroi either. Not much of a trade-off for having Theban calvarly, the Dorians have the best of them there, having access to all those troops.

Not being able to recruit the Thureophoroi units is kind of strange since you can actually build the elite barracks for the light infantry, but still can't recruit them.

sum1won · Post by **sum1won** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 12:29 am

I remember something about marines as well, but that could be a different group. However, Mercenary hoplites are excellent. If you start in a place with no copper, these guys make mincemeat of the massive armies of low-level troops the computers hurl at you in the beggining. 4 of them in open ground shreds 5 spot armies of asymtomia-level troops.

Post by **IainMcNeil** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:08 am

If I remember correctly then the Aeolians are the sea farers? They get a wood production bonus to make a fleet easier to maintain?

xenophonos · Post by **xenophonos** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 2:40 pm

No, those are the Ionians. Even they get more and better units than the Aeolians.

I guess it's something to mod then huh? I was just wondering if there was some logic to it.

Post by **IainMcNeil** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:43 pm

They all get something - maybe its better Cavalry? Only one side gets the Greek heavy cavalry. I really dont remember though!

xenophonos · Post by **xenophonos** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:07 pm

No actually. For the Greeks, there are no Elite Heavy Cavalry. The Macedonians are the ones who get them, they get Companions. Aeolians don't. Maybe I'll tweak and get them Cataphracts...

efthimios · Post by **efthimios** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:30 pm

xenophonos wrote:No actually. For the Greeks, there are no Elite Heavy Cavalry. The Macedonians are the ones who get them, they get Companions. Aeolians don't. Maybe I'll tweak and get them Cataphracts...

And for you the macedonians are not greeks?

I think the super power of the Aeolians is they are good for anyone who is good at the game and wants an extra bit of difficulty.

zorro · Post by **zorro** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:18 pm

Don't forget that the Aeolians were considered the backward/semicivilized Greeks. The Dorians were a warrior culture that invaded Greece in about 1000BC (I think). The Ionian Greeks were the great sailors (and whose heavy infantry can fight like marines - a significant bonus for fighting off Persian and Roman invasion fleets). The Macedonian Greeks had, of course, the famous and fearsome heavy cavalry which the Persians never did figure out how to counter.

If you're looking for pure military power among the Greeks, go with the Macedonians. The Companions are like super-fast Spartiates with better trampling! They really are the perfect counter to the Persian's Immortals. Heavy infantry does well against Immortals, but usually have a tough time reaching them because they can't trample nearly as well, and their slow movement makes them easier to block with other infantry. Companions can charge along the flanks and double back, hitting the vulnerable archer-type troops from the sides or behind. If you combine them with heavy infantry in the middle (advancing slowly, or waiting for the right moment to charge), you can squash the opposing army like bugs!

Z

xenophonos · Post by **xenophonos** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 9:36 pm

Yea, Heavy Infantry are okay against Immortals, too bad that they get taken out by the time they close with them for melee.

Efthimios, Macedonians are DEFINITELY Greeks, but for some reason, they are made different in terms of units as pertains to this game, which is what this forum is about.

Alla oi mepikoi Slavoi thelouve va parouve thv istopia mas, gia auto klebouve to ovoma 'Makedonia'.

I was just wondering if there was some kind of reason why the Aeolians had more limits on them than the other Greeks (Dorians, Ionians), especially when the book says they excel with Cavalry. Was just wondering.

As far as Companions, yes they are good, but they're no Spartiates. They're speed and maneuverability are what make them good on the field, but in a one on one fight, I'd put my money on Spartiates (maybe cuz I'm a Lacadaemophile)

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 6:39 pm

xenophonos wrote:Yea, Heavy Infantry are okay against Immortals, too bad that they get taken out by the time they close with them for melee.

Efthimios, Macedonians are DEFINITELY Greeks, but for some reason, they are made different in terms of units as pertains to this game, which is what this forum is about.

Alla oi mepikoi Slavoi thelouve va parouve thv istopia mas, gia auto klebouve to ovoma 'Makedonia'.

I was just wondering if there was some kind of reason why the Aeolians had more limits on them than the other Greeks (Dorians, Ionians), especially when the book says they excel with Cavalry. Was just wondering.

As far as Companions, yes they are good, but they're no Spartiates. They're speed and maneuverability are what make them good on the field, but in a one on one fight, I'd put my money on Spartiates (maybe cuz I'm a Lacadaemophile)

Bah, it was the Thebans under Epaminondas who schooled the Spartans at Leuctra (371 BC), clearly demonstrating "that not in Lacedaemon alone did soldiers dwell".

I could argue whether or not the Macedonians were greeks, but how do you define "greek"?

Well, we obviously have the 3 major groups.

Spartans and their kin are Dorians, although separated by the game.
Athenians and their kin are Ionians
Thebans and their kin are Aeolians

Now, the Macedonians were Dacians. Then again, so were the Spartans and all other Dorian greeks.

So I would argue that the Macedonians were as much greek as the spartans were, just of a later-arriving wave of migrants.

efthimios · Post by **efthimios** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 8:45 pm

hahahaha
Sorry,
you are so wrong, the macedonians were Dorians as well.
The dacians were far to the north east comparetevily.

Redpossum · Post by **Redpossum** » Sat Sep 24, 2005 9:16 pm

Yes, but all the dorian peoples were dacian in origin.

efthimios · Post by **efthimios** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 5:44 pm

possum wrote:Yes, but all the dorian peoples were dacian in origin.

I am not going into this. If it suits you, keep it.

xenophonos · Post by **xenophonos** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 6:13 pm

"Now, the Macedonians were Dacians. Then again, so were the Spartans and all other Dorian greeks.

So I would argue that the Macedonians were as much greek as the spartans were, just of a later-arriving wave of migrants."

If they were so Dacian, then why didn't they speak the Dacian language, worship the Dacian Gods and have Dacian cultue?

Macedonia was a Greek city-state. They spoke Greek, they worshipped the Greek Gods, participated in the Olympic games, had Greek names...you can't get more Greek than that.

DACIANS? What are you smokin?