Interpenatration Query

[spike]

Quick post on this so not time to explain the situation.......
This, its not clear in the rules- or we cant find it!

How are LF who are part of a MIXED BG of HF or MF, treated for the purposes of interpenetration?

Are they still treated as LF
or
Classed as the same type as the rest of the BG
or
Some other answer, depending on the situation at the point it happens.

Steve Clarke

[rbodleyscott]

How are LF who are part of a MIXED BG of HF or MF, treated for the purposes of interpenetration?

Are they still treated as LF
or
Classed as the same type as the rest of the BG
or
Some other answer, depending on the situation at the point it happens.

Some other answer, depending on the situation at the point it happens.

I suppose if the BG was deployed as follows

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XXXX
XXXX

  LFHFHF
  LFHFHF

then the LF part could pass through BG X.

Is that what you had in mind? If not, then what?

[lawrenceg]

How are LF who are part of a MIXED BG of HF or MF, treated for the purposes of interpenetration?

Are they still treated as LF
or
Classed as the same type as the rest of the BG
or
Some other answer, depending on the situation at the point it happens.

Some other answer, depending on the situation at the point it happens.

I suppose if the BG was deployed as follows

Code: Select all

XXXX
XXXX

  LFHFHF
  LFHFHF

then the LF part could pass through BG X.

Is that what you had in mind? If not, then what?

I would have said they are still treated as LF and still come to same conclusion on that move. And I don't think there's anything in the rules to say they should be treated as anything else. IIRC there are a few very specific cases in the rules (not relating to interpenetration) where LF in a mixed BG are excepted from rules normally applying to LF.

One thing that could be clarified is whether the left flank of the mixed group above would be subject to a CT -1 for non-skirmishers with a threatened flank. I think the answer is yes, but I'm sure someone would argue against it if it happened to them.

Another question is whether an LF rear rank can move through the rest of the BG to become the front rank (or from front to rear).

[spike]

How are LF who are part of a MIXED BG of HF or MF, treated for the purposes of interpenetration?

Are they still treated as LF
or
Classed as the same type as the rest of the BG
or
Some other answer, depending on the situation at the point it happens.

Some other answer, depending on the situation at the point it happens.

I suppose if the BG was deployed as follows

Code: Select all

XXXX
XXXX

  LFHFHF
  LFHFHF

then the LF part could pass through BG X.

Is that what you had in mind? If not, then what?

Situation was Routing LH routing behind a mixed BG of Legionaries/Archers at 90 degrees to their own base as follows

............................LHLH
...............................LH....HF
........................HF HF LF..HF
........................HF HF LF..HF
........................................HF



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Roman Baseline this direction

Additional clarification: The gap between collumn of HF and rear of the LF not 40mm(15mm Basewidth), but to rear of HF component more than 40mm

Therefore do the LH free interpenetrate the LF without disruption to the HF
or
They disrupt the whole Mixed HF/LF BG
or
Something other?

[rbodleyscott]

One thing that could be clarified is whether the left flank of the mixed group above would be subject to a CT -1 for non-skirmishers with a threatened flank. I think the answer is yes, but I'm sure someone would argue against it if it happened to them.

Is it not clear from the following?

 Mixed battle groups of light and medium/heavy foot test as if medium/heavy.

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Another question is whether an LF rear rank can move through the rest of the BG to become the front rank (or from front to rear).

As far as I can see they can. (But they won't be able to evade, as LF in mixed BGs are not skirmishers).

[rbodleyscott]

Situation was Routing LH routing behind a mixed BG of Legionaries/Archers at 90 degrees to their own base as follows

............................LHLH
...............................LH....HF
........................HF HF LF..HF
........................HF HF LF..HF
........................................HF



---------------------------------------------------------------------
Roman Baseline this direction

Additional clarification: The gap between collumn of HF and rear of the LF not 40mm(15mm Basewidth), but to rear of HF component more than 40mm

Therefore do the LH free interpenetrate the LF without disruption to the HF
or
They disrupt the whole Mixed HF/LF BG
or
Something other?

Your ASCII diagram is slight skewed, but assuming that none of the LH had to shift more than 1 base sideways I don't see why (under the current rules) they should not go through (interpenetrate) the LF.

This is a fairly theoretical consideration since it would rarely arise in a real game. If it did, I could live with this result.

[lawrenceg]

One thing that could be clarified is whether the left flank of the mixed group above would be subject to a CT -1 for non-skirmishers with a threatened flank. I think the answer is yes, but I'm sure someone would argue against it if it happened to them.

Is it not clear from the following?

 Mixed battle groups of light and medium/heavy foot test as if medium/heavy.

Yes, it's clear from that, thanks for drawing my attention to it.
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Another question is whether an LF rear rank can move through the rest of the BG to become the front rank (or from front to rear).

As far as I can see they can. (But they won't be able to evade, as LF in mixed BGs are not skirmishers).

I note that to get from front to rear they (the LF only) would have to pass a CMT to turn 180, then do a "reform" and be put at the rear. Which then begs the question:

Can I do a 180 turn with just part of any unit? Can I then reform into any legal formation?