speaking cornish

[Hopton]

Talking Cornish

Hi,

First, excuse my so-so english, spaniard here!

I'm absolute beginner in FoG (no battles yet, I'm reading the book!) but with a long time interest in Cornwall and the ECW.

I was reading the Cornish list on the Wars of Religion book but, in my ignorance of tactical points in FoG, I don't see how to make good a list with superior and determined piked and detached musket.

I suppose that pike "strike troops" should be armored to be used like that.

Also I don't see how to work with such fast and excellent pike while my slower shot are dancing around in support of a (very historical) scarce and mediocre horse.

Please, don't take this doubts as criticism of the work of the authors but more like a result of my own novice state.

Thank you in advance.
PS. In a a funny note I share a physical resemblance to Lord Hopton portrait In National Gallery

[timmy1]

Richard is your man for Cornish. He did very well with them at Britcon 2010. Detached Shot may be your saviour here.

[Hopton]

Thank you for your reply.

I've seen his list in another post. Maybe if Richard could post here some brief battle report I could see the question more clear.

I'm bumping my head into the detached shot. Sorry.

[timmy1]

Page 182 in the rules explains but I will give an example. Suppose you have the double minimum Foot in 1643. This will give you 24 bases of Cornish Foot in 2 BG. You detach the shot making one BG of 8 MF, Unarmoured, Superior, Musket*, one BG of 4 DF, Unarmoured, Superior, Pike, Pike, leaving 2 BG of mixed foot in the normal way.

[deadtorius]

The faster pike will move the same speed as the shot in terrain, so it does give you a nice option to put down terrain your pike and shot opponent will want to avoid and you can cross over quickly and get into him with the pikes.

[Hopton]

Page 182 in the rules explains but I will give an example. Suppose you have the double minimum Foot in 1643. This will give you 24 bases of Cornish Foot in 2 BG. You detach the shot making one BG of 8 MF, Unarmoured, Superior, Musket*, one BG of 4 DF, Unarmoured, Superior, Pike, Pike, leaving 2 BG of mixed foot in the normal way.

Thank you for your reply.

Seems like "ad hoc" BG (including mixed formations) are the way to follow. I my newbieness I was considering only an all pike/all musket option.

Thank you all for your insight! and for the terrain hint

Are Richard's "cornish adventures" at Briticon 2010 available anywhere?

[rbodleyscott]

The faster pike will move the same speed as the shot in terrain, so it does give you a nice option to put down terrain your pike and shot opponent will want to avoid and you can cross over quickly and get into him with the pikes.

Absolutely. I would recommend doing this rather than detaching the shot. (Unfortunately I forgot about this at Britcon and moved the pike and shot 2MUs through the terrain).

I would strongly recommend not detaching the shot. The problem with doing so is that sooner or later the detached shot will want to advance out of the terrain to shoot at a tasty target, and then (inevitably it seems) some nasty horse will come and ride them down. I don't even bother to supply the required second list with detached shot for tournaments any more, it just isn't worth the risk - at least not with my level of skill.

Pike and shot BGs are not severely inconvenienced in uneven or rough terrain, because only the pikes are disordered. As there are only 2 bases of them, this means that they do not lose any combat dice for being Disordered. The only disadvantage really is reduced speed for normal pike and shot BGs. However, this does not apply to the Cornish foot in Uneven or Rough terrain because Determined Foot have the same move distance as Medium Foot in those terrain types.

Are Richard's "cornish adventures" at Britcon 2010 available anywhere?

Sadly not, and my recall would not be good enough to write them up now.