Can Light foot move in as an overlap during movement?

smaul1 · Post by **smaul1** » Sat May 22, 2010 4:33 pm

playing our 2nd game last night we had a situation where 2 Heavy cavalry had hit each other during the impact phase, and then adjusted at the beginning of the maneuver phase.

my opponent then moved some light foot next to his cavalry during his movement as an overlap.

we check the rules and it only seemed to state a CMT was needed if it was to charge or hold on a charge from non skirmish. and also I read last night that to move into an overlap does not require a CMT

It also seemed logical that historically the light foot could have come over on the "flanks" and been picking at the cavalry while their own cavalry clashed with them and kept them busy.

anyway, I think we did it right by allowing it but if the we missed it in the rules could someone let us know where? Thoughts?

thanks

Steve

nikgaukroger · Post by **nikgaukroger** » Sat May 22, 2010 4:50 pm

They can move to an overlap without a CMT.

smaul1 · Post by **smaul1** » Sat May 22, 2010 5:35 pm

Ok, that is what we thought but we wanted to make sure, thanks

david53 · Post by **david53** » Sat May 22, 2010 6:08 pm

smaul1 wrote:Ok, that is what we thought but we wanted to make sure, thanks

But they would only get one dice at whatever POA that the troops they were fighting against I would recon it would be hitting on 5's against proper troops if the lights were unprotected.

smaul1 · Post by **smaul1** » Sat May 22, 2010 6:46 pm

yep, they only got 1 die, but every die helps.

gozerius · Post by **gozerius** » Sun May 23, 2010 4:26 am

Until the enemy BG feeds more bases in and locks the LF in melee. Then they can't evade when charged. Pick your victims carefully.

petedalby · Post by **petedalby** » Sun May 23, 2010 8:39 am

Until the enemy BG feeds more bases in and locks the LF in melee. Then they can't evade when charged. Pick your victims carefully.

Not true.

See page 64

hammy · Post by **hammy** » Sun May 23, 2010 8:42 am

petedalby wrote:
Until the enemy BG feeds more bases in and locks the LF in melee. Then they can't evade when charged. Pick your victims carefully.
Not true.

See page 64

I am not sure what you are saying here Pete. P64 is about being charged not having extra bases fed in to match an overlap.

If you move a BG of skirmishers into an overlap possition and the other player has spare bases then in their next movement phase they can 'feed in' those bases and it is not a charge so no evade is possible.

If another BG charges the skirmishers in the overlap possition then yes, they can evade but that is a different issue and is what P64 is talking about.

petedalby · Post by **petedalby** » Sun May 23, 2010 8:47 am

All the points you make are spot on Hammy - but in the example it was 2 Cav vs 2 Cav - how could additional bases be fed in?

I focussed on the 'then they can't evade when charged' - but yes, of course, anyone in melee can't evade.

pease1 · Post by **pease1** » Tue May 25, 2010 3:02 pm

How come they only get one die? Don't they fight two ranks deep?

smaul1 · Post by **smaul1** » Tue May 25, 2010 3:14 pm

they loose 1 out of 2 dice since they are not fighting LF.

pease1 · Post by **pease1** » Tue May 25, 2010 3:18 pm

smaul1 wrote:they loose 1 out of 2 dice since they are not fighting LF.

Holy crapola Batman!

Learn something new every day. I didn't realize you lose 1 per 2 for not fighting LF. That definitely changes things! I think we've been playing that one wrong.

smaul1 · Post by **smaul1** » Tue May 25, 2010 3:50 pm

yeah, it is listed where it shows LH loose 1 out of 2 dice unless fighting LH or LF and LF loose 1 out of 2 dice unless fighting LF.

ottomanmjm · Post by **ottomanmjm** » Wed May 26, 2010 1:35 am

smaul1 wrote:yeah, it is listed where it shows LH loose 1 out of 2 dice unless fighting LH or LF and LF loose 1 out of 2 dice unless fighting LF.

Unless they are fighting Fragmented enemy when they get their full complement of dice

expendablecinc · Post by **expendablecinc** » Wed May 26, 2010 4:56 am

ottomanmjm wrote:
smaul1 wrote:yeah, it is listed where it shows LH loose 1 out of 2 dice unless fighting LH or LF and LF loose 1 out of 2 dice unless fighting LF.
Unless they are fighting Fragmented enemy when they get their full complement of dice

I got in to trouble recently when I allowed LH to fight my LF in difficult going. Sure he lost 1/2 dice due to being severely disordered but I thought I'd get my full 2 dice but its only vs fragged not SevDisordered so it was even dice with me being poor.

deadtorius · Post by **deadtorius** » Wed May 26, 2010 6:07 am

oops on that one