Amerika in Flames---The War is over and Peace treaty signed!

[Clark]

Hehehe thanks man its a good way of explaining my strategy and my style of play. But how can you grab someone by the nose and then kick him in the rear at the same time? Hahaha, its funny!

I'm not familiar with the gs mod map that your playing, but I would have considered landing a tank corps or 2, 2 or 3 turns ago on the Syrian Turkish border supplied by dd or bb to either capture the oil in PanGen left if undefended or cut off from supply his troops blocking your advance on the oil.

That's how I would have tried to grab PanGen by the nose and kick him in the rear in the mideast. Hehehe

I believe that would necessitate a DOW on Vichy France, bringing in Free French troops in Syria and elsewhere against the Axis. In other words, a bad idea unless it's necessary.

[PinkPanzer]

That sucks. I know in vanilla ceaw, at the fall of France, Vichy France is created, but Syria is annexed by the UK. So it's possible.

If Syria is Vichy France then the Italian landing near Jerusalem was a good idea and with any luck Supermax will get behind PanGen's units and cut cut them off from supply, by racing to the Syrian border.

[supermax]

... and Italian naval disaster!

So all is well on ground, but the Italian navy got almost destroyed tryingto counter-attack the american BB...

Anyway the naval aspect is all fun, but the war's outcome is never played on sea in CEAW. So it is in this game. I destroyed 2 more MOT and severely damaged 3 other units, as well as continuying to engage the US planes.

At this point, Pangen must hit rock bottom on his land troops if he trys to keep this up... his only chance at defense is where the hexes get narrow at 3 large... He may not realize it yet, but once i'll push him to that point it wil be a lot harder to go forward, especially if there are 2 line of infantry. That is why i brought so many planes, i am expecting a slugfest!

I think i can get Portland, Boston and New York in this 1942 campaign. I will also have to reposition some troops in the Halifax and Canada area to block any attemps at sneaky landings sinc emy italian fleet will be obliterated soon (damn!!!)

[supermax]

The offensive in America is still going very well, Portland fell last turn and several other units were damaged. The American revenue is now down by 11 pp... We didnt do as uch damage as the last turs because we used the turn to repair our entire airforce, it was becoming pretty depleted. I should be in Boston before the summer is over and on the outskirts of Washington before the end of 1942... At one point Pangen wont have enough room for his planes and troops, i wonder what he is going to do with that problem...

[supermax]

Another successeful turn in the USA, with the destruction of 1 INf corps and 1 GAR. We are touching Boston with 2 hexes and the units there will have 2 of entrenchement...

Only problem is my damned 3 of supply, my planes are at a disadvantage. But thats all right i have plenty of them and plenty of money to repair them.

Also, Pangen will run into a big problem since he will run out of hexes... I counted 6 planes minimum, and there is at most 12 hexes left to the USA. That leaves me with only 6 more troops to destroy, and everytime i do one less hexe for Pangen to position troops. So in say 4 turns, his revenue wont matter anymore.

In the Middle east, the campaign is just about to run into the ground, thanks to the overwhelming airforce the Russia brought to the theater. I am sure that troops are also in Bagdad and elsewhere. There is not much i can do there wihtout an airforce... Its great to have an overwhelming one in america, but i am paying dearly for it elsewhere on the map. But its cool the game will be decided in Washington anyway.

[PinkPanzer]

How did that red unit go from Northern Ireland to near Paris in one turn? Was it an American Paratroop corps?

[supermax]

A damn partisan spawned!

[supermax]

Boston fell last turn, the troops only had 2 entrenchement. it was relatively easy to bomb 3 steps out of the troops, then remove 4 with the tank and 3 with the INF. 1 less hexe for Panen to play with, thse fighters will have to rebase themselve...

destroyed 2 corps in the south of Russia, and uncovered a sovier tank and MOT! This will be a problem...

Other than that, nothing to report!

[supermax]

We finally reached the outskirts of Bagdad after many long months of slugging it out in the desert... We should now be in a position to take the city within the next 3 turns.



In Russia, no miracle, only the destruction of 2 soviet corps. The axis airforce make a return to the scene next turn. Its about time!



In the USA, we took another 2 hexes. We are not just in the righ position to takeover the gulf oil. That would be something!!!

[supermax]

The empire state building is in sight! The city will fall within the next 3 turns. The US offensive draws to a close. We were right in brigning that many planes to the theater to finish them off rapidly. It removed any potential offensive punch against the Russians, but it ensure that from 43 on, the Eastern front will be the only worry for the Axis. Once the US are gone, i will build such a TAC fleet that when i re-start the offensive in Russia, the Russians will be reeling back in dissaray. But, for now, it looks like its going to be another long winter on the Dniepr. I wonder what Pangen will do to try to break the deadlock. I know he is trying to defend the Middle East , but i do ont understand why he doesnt try to probe my defenses.

[supermax]

The advance continued last turn in the USA, with the destruction of a FTR, a TAC and a GAR and the occupying of 3 more hexes. I mightbe able to close this campaign before the end of 1942. Am i being to optimistic?



In Russia a disaster looms. I wasnt able to do anything decisive in 1942, so it is announcing a long, LONG winter. I produced Kesselring to increase effectiveness of my troops. I should produce Manstein or Guderian as well next turn.



In the Middle East, its going to be difficult, russian resistance continues to stiffen. I am afraid i wont be able to do anything decisive on this front Pangen is brining too much units.



the following is a screen capture of losses so far. I am a bit surprised that i killed over 5 millions russians despite the non-success. I lost an impressive amont of air steps so far as well, because of my heavy air battle sin north america.



Comments anyone on losses so far?

[rkr1958]

Comments anyone on losses so far?

They're definitely high, higher than I've seen at this point in the game. Of course; given what you'd accomplished so far knocking Britain out and on the verge of knocking the USA out I would expect high losses. For me the two remaining questions are: (1) how long will it take you to knock the USA out? and (2) and once they're out how far can you get in Russia?

With those kinds of losses your manpower has to be right at if now already below 50%. The impact of that will begin to show, if it hasn't already on the Russian front.

But anyway you've won the game. The only thing in doubt there is how big will your victory be?

[supermax]

Comments anyone on losses so far?

They're definitely high, higher than I've seen at this point in the game. Of course; given what you'd accomplished so far knocking Britain out and on the verge of knocking the USA out I would expect high losses. For me the two remaining questions are: (1) how long will it take you to knock the USA out? and (2) and once they're out how far can you get in Russia?

With those kinds of losses your manpower has to be right at if now already below 50%. The impact of that will begin to show, if it hasn't already on the Russian front.

But anyway you've won the game. The only thing in doubt there is how big will your victory be?

The manpower is still at 623, i think it is at a good level, and that is because i invest at least 50 per turn in air replacement steps. Also research is full and i havent lost many units since the end of my 1941 offensive.

As to where i will get in Russia, i am quite optimistic. The US offensive should be over in little over 6 turns. I plan to transfer the 50% of the US invasion force to the Middle east to knock any potential russian resistance there. It will then push for the Caucasus afterward. I estimate this will be a reality in the summer/fall of 1943, early 1944?

Anyway, once i get through the dreaded 1942 winter, i should be in good shape, oil should be back to decent levels and TACS should be plentyful to bomb the Russians.

Think about it, 100% of the german ressources from sumemr 1943 and on will be dedicated to Russia, i cannot foresee any serious possibilities of not getting to Omsk.

My question is if i get Moscow do i win the game? In the victory conditions, the Axis have to take Paris, London, Washington and Moscow. If i have all of them, does the game stop? I think it should but am unsure. If so, i only need to get to moscow and this is an indefensibble position for the Russians in this game...

[rkr1958]

Think about it, 100% of the german ressources from sumemr 1943 and on will be dedicated to Russia, i cannot foresee any serious possibilities of not getting to Omsk.

My question is if i get Moscow do i win the game? In the victory conditions, the Axis have to take Paris, London, Washington and Moscow. If i have all of them, does the game stop? I think it should but am unsure. If so, i only need to get to moscow and this is an indefensibble position for the Russians in this game...

We're in uncharted waters here but I fairly (but not complete) sure that the game will continue. The total defeat of Russia requires Moscow and Omsk and victory conditions are evaluated on the first turn of May 1945. So it's theoretically possible for you to control all the major capitals that count towards victory but collapse and lose the game. I know that will not happen but the another question is once you capture Moscow will you go on the defensive and hold onto what you have until May 1945? I'd bet my house on the answer to that one.

I would wage that you're going for TOTAL victory and kockouts of France, Britain, USA and Russia. You have to hand it to Panzergeneal, he's definitely a very good sport about it all. Most players would have resigned by now.

[Clark]

Think about it, 100% of the german ressources from sumemr 1943 and on will be dedicated to Russia, i cannot foresee any serious possibilities of not getting to Omsk.

My question is if i get Moscow do i win the game? In the victory conditions, the Axis have to take Paris, London, Washington and Moscow. If i have all of them, does the game stop? I think it should but am unsure. If so, i only need to get to moscow and this is an indefensibble position for the Russians in this game...

We're in uncharted waters here but I fairly (but not complete) sure that the game will continue. The total defeat of Russia requires Moscow and Omsk and victory conditions are evaluated on the first turn of May 1945. So it's theoretically possible for you to control all the major capitals that count towards victory but collapse and lose the game. I know that will not happen but the another question is once you capture Moscow will you go on the defensive and hold onto what you have until May 1945? I'd bet my house on the answer to that one.

I would wage that you're going for TOTAL victory and kockouts of France, Britain, USA and Russia. You have to hand it to Panzergeneal, he's definitely a very good sport about it all. Most players would have resigned by now.

In vanilla, you still have to take Omsk. Unless you've really messed with the victory conditions in GS, it should be the same. This objective shouldn't be difficult for you, however. You've already pushed deep into Russia, and will probably add American production plus the forces you have in North America to your war machine. Add to that the fact that Russia will no longer get American convoys, and I don't see how PG manages to stop you for very long.

[supermax]

YEs, Pangen is a very good sport, i am impressed.

Back when the English surrendered, i even offered him to play a mirror game, essetially "doubling" our game with each other giving our passwords and play both axis and allies just to see the difference and also to get Panzgen to have some fun. But he refused and wanted to continue the game.

As to my russian wishes, you are right, there is no chance in hell that i will stop at Moscow.

[supermax]

Think about it, 100% of the german ressources from sumemr 1943 and on will be dedicated to Russia, i cannot foresee any serious possibilities of not getting to Omsk.

My question is if i get Moscow do i win the game? In the victory conditions, the Axis have to take Paris, London, Washington and Moscow. If i have all of them, does the game stop? I think it should but am unsure. If so, i only need to get to moscow and this is an indefensibble position for the Russians in this game...

We're in uncharted waters here but I fairly (but not complete) sure that the game will continue. The total defeat of Russia requires Moscow and Omsk and victory conditions are evaluated on the first turn of May 1945. So it's theoretically possible for you to control all the major capitals that count towards victory but collapse and lose the game. I know that will not happen but the another question is once you capture Moscow will you go on the defensive and hold onto what you have until May 1945? I'd bet my house on the answer to that one.

I would wage that you're going for TOTAL victory and kockouts of France, Britain, USA and Russia. You have to hand it to Panzergeneal, he's definitely a very good sport about it all. Most players would have resigned by now.

In vanilla, you still have to take Omsk. Unless you've really messed with the victory conditions in GS, it should be the same. This objective shouldn't be difficult for you, however. You've already pushed deep into Russia, and will probably add American production plus the forces you have in North America to your war machine. Add to that the fact that Russia will no longer get American convoys, and I don't see how PG manages to stop you for very long.

This is exactly my thinking. My strategy will be simple based on the fact that i will have SUPERIOR revenue: Attack attack attack on all vectors with no regards to losses and keep attacking until the Russian have exhausted their PP's

[shawkhan]

I think, supermax, that you are very lucky that PanzerGeneral is not attacking you in Russia. A few air battles and a few armor battles and you would be fresh out of oil. That. I maintain, is your Achilles' Heel, and he has been way too goodnatured, letting you get away with it for this long. Honestly, I feel the AI could have given you a better contest, at least in this regard.

[supermax]

Mmm, that may well be, but if he would do that i wouldnt use my oil as i am doing right now, i could be successeful in the USA with just my troops and then 2-3 bombers only.

I could also maintain this defensive line right now without using oil at all, i have a double line.

And if he would send his tanks and reserve infantry not dedicated to his defensive line to attack me say in the south, then where would his defense force in the Middle East be? His offensive punch has been transfered to the Middle East, and i think he made the right move, since if he hadnt, i'd be reeling back in Russia, but i would be master of the oilfields, then back to square one with me having plentyful oil...

[supermax]

I think, supermax, that you are very lucky that PanzerGeneral is not attacking you in Russia. A few air battles and a few armor battles and you would be fresh out of oil. That. I maintain, is your Achilles' Heel, and he has been way too goodnatured, letting you get away with it for this long. Honestly, I feel the AI could have given you a better contest, at least in this regard.

And against an AI, this game would already be over... I do not agree with you Shawkhan.