Ottomans Rule OK!!

[petedalby]

This is the list I’ve used at both the IWF and Britcon this year – hope you have as much fun with it as I have.

Azabs, Poor LF, Unprotected, Undrilled, Bow x6
Akinjis, Average, LH, Unprotected, Undrilled, Bow x4
Akinjis, Average, LH, Unprotected, Undrilled, Bow x4

Serbian Nobles, Superior, Knights, Undrilled, HvyArm, Lance, Sword x4
Azabs, Poor LF, Unprotected, Undrilled, Firearm x4
Janissaries, Superior, LF, Unprotected, Drilled, Firearm x4

Timariots, Sup, Cav, Armd, Undrilled, Bow, Sword x4
Timariots, Sup, Cav, Armd, Undrilled, Bow, Sword x4
Qapu Khalqi, Sup, Cav, Armd, Drilled, Bow, Sword x4

Janissaries, Sup, MF, Prot, Drilled, Bow Sword x8
Janissaries, Sup, MF, Prot, Drilled, Bow Sword x8
Qapu Khalqi, Sup, Cav, Armd, Drilled, Bow, Sword x2

IC , 2 x TC, 1 x Serb Ally TC

1 x Field Defence

798 points

[hammy]

Only 12 BG's , how do you cope

It is interesting to see the trend to more and more BGs but now the IWF and both 15mm Britcon periods are won by 12 BG armies.

[stecal]

Interesting. Only 2 BGs of LH? Do you get that much mileage from 2 BGs of LF Firearms?

[devilforrest]

Congratulations on such big wins against that level of competition.

I thought you would have more battle groups.


JM

[marshalney2000]

So quality has a quantity of its own. Certainly when I played Pete's army it seemed big enough to me and I certainly did not want him to have any more BGs.

John

[recharge]

Just being nosy:


What do you use the field defence for?


John

[petedalby]

Interesting. Only 2 BGs of LH? Do you get that much mileage from 2 BGs of LF Firearms?

One LH on each flank? - I find that's enough. Fall back with one and support the other.

The firearms are worth their weight in gold. 28 AP for 2 BGs. Everything in the army shoots - apart from the Knights - so the firearms just support the quality shooters to deiver the extra minus 1 on CT. At the edge of the table that can add up to minus 3. Very nasty!

Congratulations on such big wins against that level of competition.

Thank you!

What do you use the field defence for?

Nothing really...... I just had some spare points and I didn't know what else to do with them. It can distract the enemy though, or even encourage them to dismount? To be honest I don't think it has featured in the 17 competition games I've used it in this year.

[david53]

How do you find using the cavalry Bow/Sword

Did you have them on the flanks/centre.

Its just I do find them very hard to use correctly.

I know its a vague question, I've used drilled Bow/Sword many times but can't seem to get it right, I usually end in a strange postion as enemy BG's can come real close without charging and leave you in a difficult position when you have to evade. Do you turn them to face away from the enemy when they get close allowing an easier evade, or just front it out.

Just after a few tips.

dave

[philqw78]

Do you turn them to face away from the enemy when they get close allowing an easier evade,

dave

This would make it more difficult. Facing towards the enemy you have a free turn and can evade in the direction of charge or to own rear. If you are facing away the enemy can put a funny wheel in and you must evade in the direction of charge.

[petedalby]

How do you find using the cavalry Bow/Sword

Did you have them on the flanks/centre.

I find them very good - but drilled are better than undrilled if you can get them because they can expand for free and move & expand with a CMT.

Typically I deploy them one on each flank and one in the middle - to mislead my opponent. They are so manouverable I can quickly get them to where I need them to be. Having said that against the Norse Irish I put them all together in a block 2 ranks deep. Until the Janissaries go down you don't know where this army is going to hit you.

Spreading them around provides multiple threats. Most of the time I'll deploy them 1 rank deep so I can evade but against other Cav, HF, or MF there's no need. I'll take a charge from Cav lancers rather than evade - same with HF or MF. I may be down on impact but I will probably be at even or plus in the melee. And you have to be in 1 rank against longbows or you die horribly.

Of course it doesn't always work - it can go horribly wrong!

Against Knights I'll always evade - unless I know I've got a flank charge coming to my rescue next turn.

Hope that helps?

[david53]

How do you find using the cavalry Bow/Sword

Did you have them on the flanks/centre.

I find them very good - but drilled are better than undrilled if you can get them because they can expand for free and move & expand with a CMT.

Typically I deploy them one on each flank and one in the middle - to mislead my opponent. They are so manouverable I can quickly get them to where I need them to be. Having said that against the Norse Irish I put them all together in a block 2 ranks deep. Until the Janissaries go down you don't know where this army is going to hit you.

Spreading them around provides multiple threats. Most of the time I'll deploy them 1 rank deep so I can evade but against other Cav, HF, or MF there's no need. I'll take a charge from Cav lancers rather than evade - same with HF or MF. I may be down on impact but I will probably be at even or plus in the melee. And you have to be in 1 rank against longbows or you die horribly.

Of course it doesn't always work - it can go horribly wrong!

Against Knights I'll always evade - unless I know I've got a flank charge coming to my rescue next turn.

]Hope that helps?[/quote


Thanks for the advice, hope to use it in future.
Dave

[hazelbark]

I find the bow/sword very good and always wish I had more.

The Jannisaries are really awesome and really what makes this army strong imho.

[sergiomonteleone]

Qapu Khalqi, Sup, Cav, Armd, Drilled, Bow, Sword x2

Is it a mystake a BG of Cv with 2 bases. If not how do you use?
What do you think of not using Serbian Kn's and so 1 more Cv BG?

I found Ottoman Turk a very ggod army, but considering a tournament with Medieval Armies, so with a lot of HF you are not afraid against your Janisseries MF (in particularly if you don't have any terrain to help you)?
In this case generally speaking do you deploy your MF in the wings in order to avoid HF?

Sergio

[petedalby]

Is it a mystake a BG of Cv with 2 bases. If not how do you use?

It is correct. They can be deployed as 2's. I tend to use them for rear support for the Serbs or one of the other Cav BGs. They can also be used as an intercept threat againsy enemy LH to protect your own LH. They are also good for shooting in their own right or for sneaking through a gap to present a flank charge threat.

They are also very easy to mis-use. They are very vulnerable to enemy shooting and you just know that if you lose a melee you'll throw a 1 one the death roll!!

What do you think of not using Serbian Kn's and so 1 more Cv BG?

For me - without the Serbs, the army lacks a cutting edge - but that's the beauty of the list - there are so many permutations.

In this case generally speaking do you deploy your MF in the wings in order to avoid HF?

It's a fair point. Armoured HF are the hardest nut for the Ottomans to crack. So yes, the flanks would be a reasonable place for the Janissaries to be.

[sergiomonteleone]

Is it a mystake a BG of Cv with 2 bases. If not how do you use?

It is correct. They can be deployed as 2's. I tend to use them for rear support for the Serbs or one of the other Cav BGs. They can also be used as an intercept threat againsy enemy LH to protect your own LH. They are also good for shooting in their own right or for sneaking through a gap to present a flank charge threat.

They are also very easy to mis-use. They are very vulnerable to enemy shooting and you just know that if you lose a melee you'll throw a 1 one the death roll!!

What do you think of not using Serbian Kn's and so 1 more Cv BG?

For me - without the Serbs, the army lacks a cutting edge - but that's the beauty of the list - there are so many permutations.

In this case generally speaking do you deploy your MF in the wings in order to avoid HF?

It's a fair point. Armoured HF are the hardest nut for the Ottomans to crack. So yes, the flanks would be a reasonable place for the Janissaries to be.

Hi Pete,
very interesting, in particularly regarding BG of Cv with 2 bases. I'm going to test it for a tournament in November.
many thanks
Sergio

[petedalby]

I'm going to test it for a tournament in November.

Best of luck!

[danikine74]

i was wondering about the convenience of 6 BG of poor azab bowmen, with only 2 hits is testing for morale, with 8 3 hits are needed and thats is not very often

the BG of 4 azaps Hangunners poor is very interesting, but why not 2 BG´s ?? less points and with the three of the FF you can purchase the 7th and 8th elements for the poor bowmen BG.
Why the jenisssary handgun BG then? why noy 2 azab Average firearm BGs?? or Two poor??

6 qapukulu drilled Cv... very good, why not 4 elite?? not worth?

Is a IC general really necessarY?? not enough a FC? is the enemy who will be shooted all over the battlefield.( and 25 points extra )

[danikine74]

This is my new later ottoman turk list. I want to ply a bit before a Championship, in october, in Estella , Navarra.

Things i ve read in this topic opened my mind for new options, let me know your opinions

8x Azaps LF, poor, bow
4x Ajinjis
4x Akinjis
4x Other LH ( akinjis, beduin, or balkan )

4x Azab Handgunner, poor (16 points !!!!)
8x jenissaries( prot)
4x timariots Prot, sup
4x timariots prot, sup

4x Timariots Armoured Superior
4x Qapuqulu, superior
8x jenissary (prot)

4x Azaps HdG poor
2x Qapuqulu superior
4x Serbian Kn full metal jacket

2x FF ( for deplyment tricks or upgrade BG 2 Qapuqulus to elite)

CnC is a TC, others a FC and a TC and the serbian Allied TC. That makes only a +1 to initiative ( CnC is not either a IC or a FC and just +1 of more than 24 Cv/LH)

I Think this list is playable, never did it with 3 poor BGs but i lll try

[rayfredjohn]

I played against Ottoman last Thursday at our club. I think your army design is slightly flawed. Your cav should all be armoured or you will be down in melee against good cav.

Just my thoughts.


Ray

[petedalby]

i was wondering about the convenience of 6 BG of poor azab bowmen, with only 2 hits is testing for morale, with 8 3 hits are needed and thats is not very often

8 is always better than 6 - but where to find the extra points from? A 6 will test more often, but with rear support and an IC it shouldn't fail that often.

the BG of 4 azaps Hangunners poor is very interesting, but why not 2 BG´s ?? less points and with the three of the FF you can purchase the 7th and 8th elements for the poor bowmen BG.
Why the jenisssary handgun BG then? why noy 2 azab Average firearm BGs?? or Two poor??

A very fair question - 2 poor firearms would release 12 AP which could upgrade the Qapu to Elites - or as you suggest above. But life is all about choices. I prefer the Sup HG because they are very good against Knights - hit on 4's, re-roll 1's. And if they do get caught in the evade, even after losing 2 bases I can still rally them with my IC. And they are also pretty good at taking fortified camps. And I don't like elites because they'd never ger rear support. But choose what's best for you.

6 qapukulu drilled Cv... very good, why not 4 elite?? not worth?

Personally I don't think so - no. But I have seen others field Elites - and I've beaten them.

Is a IC general really necessarY??

In oh so many ways - yes.